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# 11
10-27-2010, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluepez
gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.


If you go by the definition of gamble. Then you are not forced to gamble in the mission you win no matter what happens. That my friend is not an uncertain outcome
Thank you. This was going to be my point as well. If the single spin is rigged (you always win that one time) then it is not gambling.
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# 12
10-27-2010, 11:41 AM
Wow. Crazy. Never imagined this could offend. This is way out there, and fair play for mentioning it, but what do you expect? How on earth could you expect this to have had an alternative for gamblers thought of in advance?

I suppose any recovering alcoholics always pass up on the Romulan ale in the loot - Oh wait..cryptic got that one...I'm sure there was some tea or something.

I would like to say I am, as a Fed character, I no longer want to kill all of my enemies for their loot, and would like Cryptic to ensure I can continue, as a paying customer, to add an alternative way to get my loot. Killing is against my beliefs, and maybe if I continue...

.... I'll start vaporising my workmates with this disruptor I've just made.

I may be flippant, but this is a freaking joke.

I suspect its just the principle of it, so fair do's, but I cannot see this as gambling, as there seems to be no risk. Aside from the fact, its entirely ficticious, and there are no Dabo tables at any casinos.

OP You must be pulling our legs, or have no common sense at all.
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# 13
10-27-2010, 11:50 AM
I clearly understand the OP has certain religious convictions against gambling. I have no problem with that any more then I do anyone else's particular convictions. I just don't believe anyone's particular convictions should be the focus of anything written for the general gaming population. I firmly believe it's the individual who should censor his own actions rather then trying to censor other's actions. If the OP doesn't like to gamble then he should clearly not gamble. If that means he misses out on this weekly series then so be it. Sometimes having the courage of your own convictions means you miss out on things.
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# 14
10-27-2010, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jothan
Yesterday I sent this message to Cryptic Game Support and they told me to post it here for the Devs, so here it is, word for word as they saw it.

On Earthdate Sunday, October 25, 2010 12:35:00am I began weekly mission “Spin the Wheel” second episode of Series 2 “The Devidians”. In that mission after you talk with Ze’mara for the first time you are given the objective to “Play Dabo!” I would like to lodge a complaint against this for two reasons.
  1. Dabo is a gambling game and maybe you were not aware of it, but gambling is offensive to me and others I have talked to, Star Trek Online players even. To be forced to do that which you find to be wrong by your religious beliefs with no alternative was not fair in the least. For this I hope to not see this in any future missions.
  2. Perhaps you were also ignorant of the fact that gambling is addictive. There are many out there who have gotten addicted and tried to break the habit. Some have succeeded and are glad of it, but, one little slip and they’d be back to being addicted. You just provided that slip by forcing us to gamble. On top of which, it was a rigged game in our favor; I won 20 bars of Gold-Pressed Latinum. This was appreciated on account of the top reason, thank you, but it adds credibility in a gambler’s mind that winning isn’t too hard. Any ex-addicts could be pulled in instantly. Then that reawakened desire transfers to real life and they lose their real money. To cause such hurt through your game is cruelty to put it mildly. For this I had better not see any more of this.

Use your minds before you leap. Consider your customer’s lives before you force them into a lifestyle they wish to avoid. But the very fact gambling is doable on STO isn’t a help for either reason, to not get addicted for the first time, or to reopen the addiction whence you have it. I will thank you in advanced for your cooperation. Thank you!

P.S.—And sorry for being so straightforward, I was advised to tone the mood down but it means a lot to me, so I left it as was/is.

P.S.2—I have noticed Dabo accolades added to my list, I and others will now need to see those forever. Constant reminders and especially so for gamblers.

NO WAAAY!!! i call troll thread on that!!
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I can understand where the OP is coming from, but really, this is something that a HUGE minority of the gaming population would find offensive. This is a kind of nit-picky detail that likely caused Earth to kill all the lawyers around 2079.

Apart from that:

Energy weapons
Phaser: 2.5% chance to disable a random subsystem
Disruptor: 2.5% chance to lower the targets damage resistance by 10% for 15 sec
Plasma: 2.5% chance to apply a non-stacking damage-over-time debuff
Polaron: 2.5% chance to reduce all enemy subsystem power levels by 25
Tetryon: 2.5% chance to deal additional shield damage
Antiproton: 2% chance to critical, increased critical severity

Kinetic weapons
Photon: 50% chance -20 Able crew
Quantum:10% chance -10 Alive crew
Plasma: chance to apply Fire damage to hull for 10 sec

I see chance appearing quite often in the above examples pertaining to regular gameplay. Gambling is relying on chance. You wanna be nit-picky? Explain how the random chance rolls of combat aren't considered gambling.
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# 16
10-28-2010, 02:06 AM
Just to toss out, since the OP mentions gambling addiction, there is a reason that gambling rehab often recommends that the recovering problem gambler abstain from all gaming, not just gambling, while they recover. I've even heard of councilors telling them not to watch sports on TV even. Aside from that, MMORPGs in general are a poor choice of pastime for anyone prone to addictive or compulsive behavior. Doubly so one with a microtransaction store.
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# 17
10-28-2010, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Naevius
I don't believe people have a right to NOT be offended.
This exactly, if it is a premise that offends you so.....don't play the game, skip that mission.

What I find equally offensive is people who feel the need to point out that an everyday harmless idea developed for entertainment (enjoyed by many) is offensive.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few....or the one.

Second- this over scrutinized gotta come up with a reason to blame something else for my own insecurities, over sensitive, garbage sociaty we have become is going to be our undoing. China doesn't have this problem (yet china does have problems), why do we? Freedom does not translate to whiney. If you are truely free, you can do whatever you want without hinderance from any group or individual as long as what your doing does not directly harm another. Thats freedom...and thats what we are missing.

I mean no offense, just being subjective. I would not bend to the whims of anyone because they feel offended...if your offended, thats your issue not mine...and since it does not directly bring harm to you, why would you choose to infringe on the serenity of others? To prove a point that you exsist?

Seriously Im not trying to be harsh, just breaking it down for you....your request is well....lacking in logic.
If you want to raise awareness, join PETA.

If STO offends you, you should reconsider your motivation for playing it.
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# 18
10-28-2010, 03:55 PM
So this person is against virtual gambling with imaginary money. However, they must have no problem in killing thousands of virtual beings.
Good Grief!
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# 19
10-28-2010, 05:28 PM
ignoring the fact i think the complaint is completely stupid, you are NOT prevented from doing the rest of the mission chain if you don't want to do this mission, simply drop it to receive the credit (open your current missions window, select the mission, click DROP button at bottom of panel - WIN).

Just remember you can only drop 1 mission every few days, so if you're in the habit of getting your hackles up over something so.. ugh i just don't care enough to come up with something.

Drop the mission and move on.
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# 20
10-28-2010, 06:03 PM
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ignoring the fact i think the complaint is completely stupid, you are NOT prevented from doing the rest of the mission chain if you don't want to do this mission, simply drop it to receive the credit (open your current missions window, select the mission, click DROP button at bottom of panel - WIN).

Just remember you can only drop 1 mission every few days, so if you're in the habit of getting your hackles up over something so.. ugh i just don't care enough to come up with something.

Drop the mission and move on.
It has not been my experience that Drop completes a mission. It simply drops it from your mission list and forces you to retake it.

Edit: I just tested it on a Breen daily. It gave me nothing for the mission and I was forced to retake it.
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