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# 11
10-27-2010, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
As others have pointed out - the CBS related terms of use we are proposing are very similar to what they recently posted on the CafePress fan made merch site.

Here is a link to those rules.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/popup/in...rules_startrek

My understanding is that you can mention characters in dialog, missions, etc, but that you will need to stray away from trying to represent those characters/actors likeness in game.

As an example - the STO team has to get specific approval anytime we use an actor's likeness in game and they have rights of refusal in most cases to say they don't like it and we have to pull it.
what about characters who have already appeared? such as Worf? or characters whose likeness is inspired by a book (Calhoun)?
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# 12
10-27-2010, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
As others have pointed out - the CBS related terms of use we are proposing are very similar to what they recently posted on the CafePress fan made merch site.

Here is a link to those rules.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/popup/in...rules_startrek

My understanding is that you can mention characters in dialog, missions, etc, but that you will need to stray away from trying to represent those characters/actors likeness in game.

As an example - the STO team has to get specific approval anytime we use an actor's likeness in game and they have rights of refusal in most cases to say they don't like it and we have to pull it.
That's really neat of CBS to apply the cafepress standards.

And yes, Falcon, I was joking to make a point about potential misuses and violations. If I ever have a mission with Mr. SPOKK, you can flog me silly.
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# 13
10-27-2010, 02:39 PM
So if you want to use a known character, just have them speak through some communication device, like on Charlie's Angels.

Frankly I am happy to avoid using characters from the shows. There are already enough children of Kirk and others floating around. Even the new movies can't avoid using the old characters. At least we can make new content.
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# 14
10-27-2010, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
As others have pointed out - the CBS related terms of use we are proposing are very similar to what they recently posted on the CafePress fan made merch site.

Here is a link to those rules.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/popup/in...rules_startrek

My understanding is that you can mention characters in dialog, missions, etc, but that you will need to stray away from trying to represent those characters/actors likeness in game.

As an example - the STO team has to get specific approval anytime we use an actor's likeness in game and they have rights of refusal in most cases to say they don't like it and we have to pull it.
It's my understanding that UGC is not actually part of "canon", but is more for people to play through others' ideas and have fun with. That being the case:

What if we want to have a time travel mission and hang out with (or solve mysteries with) Picard and crew? What about dead actors?
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# 15
10-27-2010, 02:50 PM
I'm not going to lie, more than anything else in the game seeing people fly around in the "Enterprize" and all the variants thereof bugs the heck out of me (I thought the U.S.S. Essess was hilarious, though).

If I was reviewing a mission, I'd flag the heck out of something that either used names in a similar manner to the OP or used characters in a manner that flagrantly disregarded canon.

That said, I'd have no problem with a mission that either a) referenced previous missions (not unlike the scan the Gorgons mission currently), or b) referenced a fictional mission (i.e. We found a tidbit in the log of the enterprise-d blah blah blah).

Sounds like that's what this is going to be like, but I'm trying not to speculate until the actual rules come down... there's more than enough armchair developing around here (the forums not necessarily this thread) on unreleased info.
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# 16
10-27-2010, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
As others have pointed out - the CBS related terms of use we are proposing are very similar to what they recently posted on the CafePress fan made merch site.

Here is a link to those rules.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/popup/in...rules_startrek

My understanding is that you can mention characters in dialog, missions, etc, but that you will need to stray away from trying to represent those characters/actors likeness in game.

As an example - the STO team has to get specific approval anytime we use an actor's likeness in game and they have rights of refusal in most cases to say they don't like it and we have to pull it.
Why not just make a new likeness and just keep the generalized versions. There have been many movie Batmans for instance. In Trek There are now two versions of the original Crew. Why not just make the STO version of these characters. You did with Naomi WIldman who had an adult version of herself in the show.

Then if you get rights later you could change their appearance to the actors.
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# 17
10-27-2010, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquizitor View Post
Why not just make a new likeness and just keep the generalized versions. There have been many movie Batmans for instance. In Trek There are now two versions of the original Crew. Why not just make the STO version of these characters. You did with Naomi WIldman who had an adult version of herself in the show.

Then if you get rights later you could change their appearance to the actors.
Hey, yeah, what if we just make a bald white guy, and call him Picard? No attempt to actually make it look like Patrick Stewart? No actor's likeness issues, right?
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# 18
10-27-2010, 03:38 PM
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My understanding is that you can mention characters in dialog, missions, etc, but that you will need to stray away from trying to represent those characters/actors likeness in game.
Which unfortunately doesn't prevent people from attempting to retcon or otherwise redefine the characters through their own stories. If people can't put James T. Kirk in a mission, the next best thing will be to put Jimmy T. Kirk Jr.
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# 19
10-27-2010, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
As others have pointed out - the CBS related terms of use we are proposing are very similar to what they recently posted on the CafePress fan made merch site.

Here is a link to those rules.
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/popup/in...rules_startrek

My understanding is that you can mention characters in dialog, missions, etc, but that you will need to stray away from trying to represent those characters/actors likeness in game.

As an example - the STO team has to get specific approval anytime we use an actor's likeness in game and they have rights of refusal in most cases to say they don't like it and we have to pull it.
ok, can mention them but can't represent them physically

I can see where we, the players, might want you to get us a few exemptions
star trek personalities needed for many many stories

Borg queen
'Q'
Grand Nagus

It would be super nice to be able to use these guys.
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# 20
10-27-2010, 04:47 PM
Many players have expressed a desire to make C-Store Purchases or Fund Donations that specifically go toward purchasing likeness rights.

People tease Cryptic about putting actual content in the C-Store, but if there was a mission that included Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard with his likeness and voice I'd buy it in a heart beat.

And if buying that content helped make a Picard Character available for use in The Foundry it would be a plus to everyone playing STO whether they bought the special episode or not.

I'm just not sure how many desires for actor likenesses need to be expressed on the forums before persistent action is taken towards this.
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