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# 11
11-01-2010, 07:22 PM
To: Captain Kim Sharp and Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus
CC: Starfleet Corp of Engineers

Captains,

Thank you for your continued input into this important project. Captain Sharp I share your concern for the defenses of our planned ship and its potential to become a primary target. Our concern in the orginal design was the storage bays required for torpedo or mine weapons would impact the room needed for the engineering amd medical bays. Hence the development of the Holodecoy technology and the secondary back-up shields. However, several of my more audacious crew have suggested the development of photonic mines. In fact, they are working on the technology as we speak. However, it is still in the design phase and further input would be valuable. Your suggestion of a more advanced escort to play a protective role is intriguing and I would welcome any further thoughts you have on the matter.

Vice Admiral Magnus your suggestion of modular space stations is an extemely intriguing idea. While I believe the idea of a semi-mobile Starbase is a needed concept in the ever changing front lines of this terrible war we find ourselves in, I am not sure it should replace MADAM. She is designed to be in the middle of a batltle providing engineers and medical wherever they are needed. Furthermore, she can serve other purpose in times of peace. Relief efforts, engineering needs, even advanced field research. The investment in these ships is a long term one for they have uses in both war time and peace time.

I welcome further conversation and communication from you both.

Jonathon Stipe Vice Admiral and Captain of the Stellar Dawn
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# 12
11-01-2010, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Commodore_Stipe
To: Captain Kim Sharp and Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus
CC: Starfleet Corp of Engineers

Captains,

Thank you for your continued input into this important project. Captain Sharp I share your concern for the defenses of our planned ship and its potential to become a primary target. Our concern in the orginal design was the storage bays required for torpedo or mine weapons would impact the room needed for the engineering amd medical bays. Hence the development of the Holodecoy technology and the secondary back-up shields. However, several of my more audacious crew have suggested the development of photonic mines. In fact, they are working on the technology as we speak. However, it is still in the design phase and further input would be valuable. Your suggestion of a more advanced escort to play a protective role is intriguing and I would welcome any further thoughts you have on the matter.

Vice Admiral Magnus your suggestion of modular space stations is an extemely intriguing idea. While I believe the idea of a semi-mobile Starbase is a needed concept in the ever changing front lines of this terrible war we find ourselves in, I am not sure it should replace MADAM. She is designed to be in the middle of a batltle providing engineers and medical wherever they are needed. Furthermore, she can serve other purpose in times of peace. Relief efforts, engineering needs, even advanced field research. The investment in these ships is a long term one for they have uses in both war time and peace time.

I welcome further conversation and communication from you both.

Jonathon Stipe Vice Admiral and Captain of the Stellar Dawn
To: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
CC:Starfleet Corp of Engineers
From: Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus

Admiral, my concern with the M.A.D.A.M. is not with the idea but with the implementation. I fear that it would only end up being another device that we would have to defend against a KDF attack, so instead of focusing our efforts in engaging the enemy we would have to constantly be defending the M.A.D.A.M.

Sincerely,

Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus

Commanding the Federation Starship U.S.S. Avalon NCC 93211-E
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# 13
11-01-2010, 07:53 PM
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To: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
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From: Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus

Admiral, my concern with the M.A.D.A.M. is not with the idea but with the implementation. I fear that it would only end up being another device that we would have to defend against a KDF attack, so instead of focusing our efforts in engaging the enemy we would have to constantly be defending the M.A.D.A.M.

Sincerely,

Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus

Commanding the Federation Starship U.S.S. Avalon NCC 93211-E
To: Vice Admiral Ethan Kris Magnus
From: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
CC: Starfleet Corp of Engineers

Admiral, your concern is warranted. However, defense was one of our main secondary goals. What good is the ship if its destroyed afterall? However, with advanced primary shielding, back-up secondary shielding and Holodecoy technology I feel that this ship is quite capable of defending itself. A well placed infiltration team will render any enemy defenseless and easy pickings for any Federatin allies nearby. However, I welcome any further input you may regarding advances in defensive technology or other suggestions you may have.

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11-01-2010, 09:34 PM
To: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
CC: Starfleet Corps of Engineers

Admiral,

Thank you much for your reply. It gives me great relief that you are taking the defense of such a ship into consideration, as well as my ideas for the new escort ships.

Photonic mines would certainly be advantageous, or perhaps plasma mines. I have been using plasma mines as a defensive mechanism on my last three ships with some success. If the ship is going to be slow, and not quite so maneuverable, I believe it will be essential to protect all sides of it at all costs. From a tactical perspective, Sir.

While I yearn for the days that I remember; the days when we enjoyed a galaxy at peace, we cannot ignore the current times and the dire situation we are in presently.

Secondary and back up shields as well as holoprojectors are a good idea. My only concern there are Klingon ship commanders that are well versed in cutting through shields, and shutting down subsystems. If I were to put myself in my enemy's shoes, that is precisely where I would attack. Mind you, Sir, my ship though not giant Galaxy class or Sovereign, we have been so far fairly effective in standing up against powerful science ships, and cruisers employing mainly beam-weapons.

I am not attempting to be a, "Debbie Downer", Sir, if you are familiar with that term. Like you, I just want to reduce the further loss of life, while at the same time providing the maximum effort for our cause.

For the record, if such a vessel were to be put to space, you can expect our fullest support in the field.

Sincerely,

Captain Kim Sharp
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11-01-2010, 11:18 PM
To: Captain Kim Sharp
From: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
CC: Starfleet Corp of Engineers

Captain Sharp your observations are austute. The preservation of life is my ultimate goal here and seeing the ship destroyed before she could complete her maiden voyage would be a terrible thing. I have discussed your concerns with my chief engineer and we feel we have a workable solution. Certain sections of the ship are triple re-inforced with condensed tritanium alloy. By removing a certain section of cross bracing we discovered we could indeed make room for a rear launched mine tube as well as storage bays. This would only reduce hull strength by a mere 3% while significanly increasing our defense capabilities. Our Photonic mine technology is having problems in the early design phases and will be put on hold for a whille. I hope you see the progress we have made with your help and we appreciate your input.

Sincerely,

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# 16
11-01-2010, 11:29 PM
What about replicated mines, placed around the ship via transporter? It could use the same material used to replicate replacement parts, but for a defensive role.
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# 17
11-02-2010, 01:04 AM
To: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
From: Vice Admiral Brian M. Stuart
CC: Starfleet Corps of Engineers

Admiral,
I've been monitoring the communication traffic and find your concept ingenius. However, as noted by several of our fellow esteemed colleagues, such a ship, while having extreme strategic value could also present a severe tactical defenciency in combat. Photonic minesand holo-decoys could be an answer to counter what the Klingons would surely label a "sitting Targ" but I present another option. With continued research into starship torpedo technology and application, I respectfully submit that M.A.D.A.M., should the Corps of Engineers pursue the project, be mounted with at least one starboard and one port side deployable torpedo battery. This could have the invaluable effect of suprise against an aggressor. Especially if the launched torpedos have a spread option beyond level 3. In fact, a level 6 (I am aware current spread level is no greater then three for a starship) or perhaps a modified Sierra dispersal pattern could dissuade an attacker just enough to give them pause, and in that pause provide a support ship assigned to the M.A.D.A.M. to engage the weakened attacker. My own engineers have run limited simulations with your specs and currently cannot overcome the power drop when torpedos are fired.

Never the less I fully support your ambitious program and look forward to possibly commanding such an impressive ship.

V/R,
Vice Admiral Brian M. Stuart
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# 18
11-02-2010, 01:07 AM
To: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
Re: Klingon Wisdom


After further reflection, I still have to put this assignment along with other poor decisions that Starfleet has made: Allowing civies on Combat vessels, Having "Ships' Counselors" and allowing Packleds to serve in a Combat capacity. as the Klingons would say in their ******* Language: "On shot on your head is worth 10 from my Disruptor". That is to say, while they are more than happy to waste resources to see our jelly-like insides, we are obliged to be more austere; we can't afford to have a repeat of the Dreadnaught-class ships of the 2260's that required a ton of resources to support for simple "wow" factor when a pair of Heavy Cruisers would suffice for a fraction of the cost.


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# 19
11-02-2010, 07:24 AM
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To: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
CC: Cryptic Design Division, Starfleet Corps of Engineers

After careful review of the M.A.D.A.M. design and proposal, I find the concept to be highly logical from a logistical and tactical point of view. Such a vessel would essentially eschew offensive capabilities in order to feasibly support a wide range of support capabilities including battlefield repair and emergency medical response.

Such a vessel would avoid being a liability in combat due to the use of 'hard defenses', such as multilayer shielding and reinforced hulls, and as many of my colleagues have suggested, active defenses such as special mine screens.

In fact, such a concept has existed before (see reference logs: Double Helix novels book 3, Red Sector), where worker barges, commonly nicknamed 'flying starbases', provided close repair and supply support to front-line vessels, often in combat.

However, such vessels have been removed from service before my tenure in Starfleet. This is due to increased support and supply lines in the federation frontier.

There is however, another reason. Such vessels were considered to be 'dead-end' jobs in Starfleet. There is little appreciation and career exposure for the commanders of such vessels. As logical as the M.A.D.A.M. proposal is, and as self-sacrificing the captains and commanders in Starfleet are, few officers would want to participate in combat only to provide tertiary support, and otherwise ignored by both friend and enemy alike. It is unfortunate that being in a time of war, many of our officers are also mostly interested in 'personal glory' and combat victories.

This situation is similar to that of many KDF carrier commanders. Intelligence reports suggest that when the carrier classes were introduced, commanding positions on these vessels were highly sought after. However, today many of those commanders likely resent their positions as they essentially 'do nothing' in combat, leaving the glory to their escorts and fighters.

I would request a review on the reception of such vessels among command officers. Although it is illogical to deny the value of this design, it is equally illogical to ignore the 'mainstream' response to it, as our officers have much autonomy in deciding their career path and choice of command.

Vice Admiral Revek
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# 20
11-02-2010, 08:24 AM
To: Vice Admirals Stuart and Revek
From: Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
CC: Starfleet Corp of Engineergs

Greetings fellow Admiral I am in rceit of your latest comuniques. You both have laid out valid concerns that I have discussed with my staff. First, let me address the defensive capabilities. Side mounted torpedo bays were an option; however, we ran into the same problems as you in terms of power loss. These also, in our simulations, caused a signifcant drop in structural integrity. The overal "cost" of adding these did not seem to outway the benefit. However, we continue to work on increasing the defensive capabilities. As I have communicated we have managed to add a rear mounted mine tube and we have another project in the works.

With a ship this szie transporter technology needed significant advacnement to allow pinpoint intra-ship transport. A side effect of that seem to be, accordign to my Transporter chief, that he has found a way to safely transport anit-matter. Seizing on that ability my security chief and engineering teams are running simulatinos on "Transportable Anitmatter Bombs" as they are calling them. Having 6 warp nacelles, this ship has anit-matter in abuncane. This seems like an interesting avenue and we will continue to pursue it. Should your own Engineers solve the power loss and structural integrity problems I would welcome that input.

As to the "dead-end" nature of Captaining such a vessel I can see your concerns. However, these vessles are designed to play a support role during combat. However, during times of peace they serve a far greater purpose. With their advanced labs they can conduct in deapth field research, releif efforts, etc. While I agree it will take a special Captain to choose to command one of these I feel that there are those out there who will wish to. However, I have been wrong before so I will seek the opinions of my fellow Captains on this matter as well.

Vice Admiral Jonathon Stipe
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