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**Note that this post is not to rub it anyone’s face or to exclaim we’re the best, or anything like that. Anyone who has seen OrganizedPVP channel in the last week knows what this is about.

This is about our klingon fleet settling the tension with another klingon fleet who had a couple of members start talking smack. This fleet, LORE, has seemingly been granted “best klingon fleet” by the community for absolutely no reason, has (atleast a few specific members) proceeded to talk massive smack about us over open channels, accused us of being scared and using excuses for not playing them (like our members in Europe are in bed…), and worst of all, unprofessionally post on these forums self proclaiming themselves to be the best klingon fleet out there, as seen here:
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Originally Posted by Minion View Post
In our fleet's opinion, the number one kdf fleet currently. Check it out and shoot anyone whos online a msg, they should hook you up with vent info and you can go from there.
So tonight, after a week of smack talking (from both sides, no denying that) and putting up with this crap even after beating full LORE teams in random pvps as both klings and fed, we played premade vs premade. We had our members stay up a bit late for it.

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Team Layouts were as follows:

QEW
Hegh’ta Bird of Prey-------------------Kharnita
Hegh’ta Bird of Prey-------------------Return of the Goose
Vo’Quv Carrier---------------Tide Wave
Vo’Quv Carrier---------------Do Me
Vo’Quv Carrier---------------Sloth

LORE
Neg’Var Cruiser-------------Hulk
Neg’Var Cruiser (I think)--Galron
Vor’Cha Cruiser-------------Vrok
Vo’Quv Carrier--------------Shi’Tok
Kar’fi Carrier-----------------B’Etor


SETUP
  • Briar Patch
  • First to 15 kills
  • No rules agreed upon prior to match (so no cloaking rules, it was anything goes).

RESULTS

15-2 QEW over Lore.

SCREENSHOT: http://img815.imageshack.us/f/lorevsqewnov310.jpg/
SCREENSHOT SUMMARY: http://img526.imageshack.us/f/lorepremadevpremade.png/

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Overall the point of this is to put this fleet and the community’s view on the KDF fleets back into perspective. It was nauseating how big a few members (fortunately the most of the members were not involved) of this fleet’s egos were, and how much bull and smack talking was being posted both in the game and forums. Even after the game our build was called cheesy, despite having only one more carrier and two birds against an all cruiser/carrier team.
Hopefully the result of this will simply be that their fleet chills out on the self promotion and the smack talking about ours (and then in return, theirs) ends. KvK is pretty fun and Im sure we’d be down for a rematch sometime.
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# 2
11-03-2010, 07:53 PM
Well done.
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# 3
11-03-2010, 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beagles View Post
Anyone who has seen OrganizedPVP channel in the last week knows what this is about.

This is about our klingon fleet settling the tension with another klingon fleet who had a couple of members start talking smack.
While I don't doubt that this was a legitimate win, I just wanted to point out that it seemed to me you were the one that started talking smack. They just responded.

So are you going to try best out of three (or five) with multiple team variations? I'll sit as a spectator for those

Good job though. 15-2 likely wasn't a fluke.
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# 4
11-03-2010, 08:16 PM
This thread is not going to end well...

Anyways, please consider that "Best of one" matches are not indicators of who is the best fleet in the game. Additionally, based off the match score and screen cap I can observe about the match
  • Lore brought an insanely dps light team build - none of Lore's many DPS ***** BoP's are present in this fight.
  • None of the characters on Lore are science captains - Yes I looked this up (which is completely left field considering that they're normally 4-5 science captains strong).
  • QEW has 3 carriers, one of which outdamaged a BoP pilot.

So I would make the following observations about the match
  • Lore did either did not take the match seriously or did not properly build their team before hand.
  • QEW had a strong Build Wars counter to an already DPS and science light team.

I would like to once again remind everyone that "best of one" matches are not a real indication of strength. One game victories can easily be written off / explained (pick your verb) based off of several reasons, like not taking it seriously, just flying whoever you had on, just wanting a game. If you are truly the stronger team, there is absolutely no reason to NOT offer/accept a rematch challenge.

Please note that I am not making excuses for any "favorite team" or "biased interest". I am not saying this is a fluke, or denying your victory. QEW won the match. . Both QEW and Lore are amazing klingon federation fleets. Threads like this only foster ill will towards both fleets.

Congrats on your win, please keep it civil in the organizedpvp channel so that I don't have to step in between the two fleets.
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# 5
11-03-2010, 08:43 PM
Congratulations QeW! The healing was really nice on both sides but I'm surprised and impressed with the way you shut down our damage.

One of the things I like best about Lore though, is that we are always working to improve. I know we've grown a lot recently and some of us, particularly me, have limited experience with true premade games. I look forward to hopefully getting a crack at you guys sometime in the future.

I don't necessarily care for this getting blown up quite as it has, and hope that ego's simmer down a bit so that things can stay fun instead of escalating.
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# 6
11-03-2010, 08:52 PM
I think you should have read the first line . No one is claiming to be the best or anything like that.

@tlol, no, the smack talking was started by LORE in either drozana station or kerrat, long before it reached OrganizedPVP. It was a few mouthy members running it, and what we said is just a response.

@faithborn, Again, this topic is not to say "you suck, we rock". The point is for everyone to realize what our team is capable of, and to nullify this "Lore is the best KDF fleet" when it simply doesnt have any basis to be true. The goal isnt to turn this into a flame war and get it locked.

With that said, even if it isnt the case, and despite your neutral comment, it sure sounds like youre defending them, so allow me to explain your points.


This game was a process in the making for over a week. There was plenty of time to make a team. They have already seen our team when we beat a 5 man lore team in a random kvk 15-3 (and again this morning as our feds). They sent us a pm earlier saying theyll be on tonight, hence we stayed up to play them. They were ready.

If you read another topic, they said they dont use birds or raptors because theyre too squishy. This is their fleet strategy and their own problem. Its not like we use birds because were dummies. They also had two carriers so I dont see how this was some sort of major advantage, especially when the two birds are the easiest ships to kill in the entire game, and they didnt get a single kill on them.

Carrier getting more damage than a bird? Its just the typical cruiser vs escort ordeal. He is built for damage, and hes doing it constantly throughout the game. Birds spike.

Overall there is no excuse. Weve played each other in the past, and we've simply never even come close to losing. Again, were not saying were the best fleet ever (we would NEVER post that like the one quoted above), but the numbers speak for themselves. 15-2 is a blowout.

EDIT: @hale

Yea, unfortunately there are respectful members like yourself that are catching this when it is not directed at you. We respect your skills as a player (hence why we kill you first in pvp when youre on fed), and it is not our intent to say you suck. This is again, to prove a point and throw all the smack talking that we're not capable out the window.
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# 7
11-03-2010, 09:02 PM
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The goal isnt to turn this into a flame war and get it locked.
Why would you make this thread then? The whole issue is obviously being blown out of proportion, and it isn't going to have your desired effect of "Lore isn't the best". All it's going to do is get people ****ed off at you.

do a best 2 of 3 match, and when it's over do another 2/3 match. Then drop the issue completely. Show with your actions, and drop the words. From one top fleet to another, This is not how PR works.
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# 8
11-03-2010, 09:10 PM
Well, that's too bad faithborn that you are taking it like this. Honestly, Im not here to make friends. However, I actually think ive been pretty respectful with how much smack talking has been thrown around. Ive said many times already we are not saying they suck. I cannot make it more clear.

However, the simple fact is, this forum/open channels have been gloating that theyre somehow, for some reason, the best klingon fleet. Youve posted it, theyve posted it, and ive seen other feds post it. This is simply a counter argument to those claims and an absolutely ridiculous post (as quoted in the original post) that simply has no basis.

We are defending our fleet being considered #2 when that is not the case. If a federation fleet that you beat multiple times without any contention was being called better than you, i dont think youd like it either.

As for being best two out of three, this was never discussed, and not discussed by either side after the game either. Weve played each other before with QEW being victorious each time, do we have to keep playing them until they win?
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# 9
11-03-2010, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Beagles View Post
Well, that's too bad faithborn that you are taking it like this. Honestly, Im not here to make friends. However, I actually think ive been pretty respectful with how much smack talking has been thrown around. Ive said many times already we are not saying they suck. I cannot make it more clear.

However, the simple fact is, this forum/open channels have been gloating that theyre somehow, for some reason, the best klingon fleet. Youve posted it, theyve posted it, and ive seen other feds post it. This is simply a counter argument to an absolutely ridiculous post (as quoted in the original post) that simply has no basis.

We are defending our fleet being considered #2 when that is not the case. If a federation fleet that you beat multiple times without any contention was being called better than you, i dont think youd like it either.

As for being best two out of three, this was never discussed, and not discussed by either side after the game either. Weve played each other before with QEW being victorious each time, do we have to keep playing them until they win?
4 months ago ago 182 (because thats who we were) was a no-named fleet. DoB rolled the **** out of everyone else and they made it obvious. If you think Lore is gloating, you did not see DoB. 182 was the first fleet to ever beat DoB in a 2 of 3 match.

Did we brag about it? Hell no, because there is nothing to prove except pride. As long as you can bring the hurt fleets will respect you. Once you start insulting the base you lose that respect. I can see where Lore may have irked you, but grow thick skin and deal with it. Do you know how much **** I have to deal with on a daily basis as a fleet leader of The Spanish Inquisition.

Fair warning, once you hit the top you stop caring about rankings. Seriously, they aren't that important. I learned that lesson 4 months ago.
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# 10
11-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Well congrats on the win QeW but I just have to cut in and say that this match shows how unbalanced the game is at least on the Klingon side right now. Both fleets are good I know this... but in all honesty... the fleet with the most carriers will win. (most of the time) and your build takes full advantage of the carrier spam... 2 BoP with 3 carriers shows me: that you know that it is easy to cloak and decloak in the mass of spawn. On the other hand, the fact that Lore went with a more cruiser oriented build shows me that they were using the other strategy involved with carriers, heal fest while spawns do the killing. Personally, I think if you went against lore next round that they would be packing quite a different build. I do agree with faith, you shouldn't be on here gloating your victory in a 1 match game... personally it just shows that the amount of spam that the carriers pour out needs to be addressed... at this moment I will argue that the carrier upgrade has again thrown the balance off in favor of the Klingons. While I say its about time for the Klingons to have an advantage, at the same time this is only gonna hurt FvK and KvK in the long run.

Edit: spawns don't necessarily need to be reduced but for heck sakes make scramble sensors work and give us some counters... cause right now fire at will just isn't cutting it.
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