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# 1 Hideki Class Looks Too Small?
11-19-2010, 03:47 AM
correct me if i am wrong... but i thought the Hideki was bigger then a run-about, but not as large as a Jem Hadar fighter or Defiant class escort.

the way it looks in game its the size of a federation type 9 shuttle.

is this right?

shouldn't they be a little bigger?
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# 2
11-19-2010, 04:37 AM
Yup they should be, a lot bigger.
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# 3
11-19-2010, 05:50 AM
From Memory Alpha:
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The ship was considered approximately equivalent to the Starfleet Danube-class runabout, but equipped with heavier armament giving it sufficient striking power to operate in fleet actions.
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# 4
11-19-2010, 06:14 AM
Problem is that there are two nearly identical ships:
The Hideki and the shuttle

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hideki_class

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cardassian_shuttle

Memory Alpha also states that it is a theory the Hideki is the same ship as the "pursuit vessel" from "The Maquis" though it is not conclusive.
Additonally visual evidence points to a Hideki about the size of a Jem'hadar fighter:

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...e-behind-5.jpg

If they were the size of a Runabout, the fighters would not appera so tiny next to them.
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# 5
11-20-2010, 08:36 AM
according to the same memory alpha article that places the size of the Hedeki at that of a runabout...
(based on DS9 tech manual)

earlier in that SAME article the creator of the hedeki design claims that it is 500m long and carries a crew of 5 plus 30 passengers.

"Visual Effects Supervisor David Stipes said that an overall length of 500 feet (150 meters) was generally used onscreen"
(from the same site that the earlier reference was made)

so even on the same sight there is some contradicting and misleading data.

the shuttle was definatly the size of a runabout.

however in sacrafive of angels and other fleet engagements, the hedeki's were called "destroyers" and seemd to be similar in size to the Jem Hadar attack vessels (called fighters in the show)

the classification of the Hedeki is "heavy assault fighter"

but it should be noted that the Jem Hadar attack ship is called "Jem Hadar Figther" in the show, and the original B'rel is also considered a "fighter"

with so many conflicting descriptions we may want to take a closer look at this vessel.

as it stands now the Hideki looks smaller then a federation runabout.
a lot of people i talked to in game seem to think it looks a little small.
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# 6
11-20-2010, 03:50 PM
Patrol frigs would be sweet if they balanced the ship bo tiers and added natural speed and size defence i got digs on a
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# 7
11-21-2010, 07:51 AM
I think it could use at least 15% in size to get it to a proper scale.
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# 8
11-22-2010, 07:43 PM
@ spartan

agreed.

i dont want to see it the size of a galaxy... i just want to SEE the thing!

in "sacrafice of angels" and other fleet engagements we can CLEARLY make out hideki's in battle.

just a 10-25% increase in saze would allow us to appreciate this neat little ship!
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# 9
11-22-2010, 09:48 PM
Very true. From what I've seen, the Hideki is supposed to be some kind of patrol boat, not a fighter. Make it larger and slower, maybe compensate the loss in speed with better stats. :3
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# 10
11-22-2010, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Valias
Very true. From what I've seen, the Hideki is supposed to be some kind of patrol boat, not a fighter. Make it larger and slower, maybe compensate the loss in speed with better stats. :3
Sounds good to me.
It has the same Hitpoints as the Jem'hadar fighter but no torps and no SNB, it needs...something.
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