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# 11
11-23-2010, 01:01 AM
If it's the equivalent of the Runabout, why does it have the attributes of a frigate?
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# 12
11-23-2010, 07:02 AM
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If it's the equivalent of the Runabout, why does it have the attributes of a frigate?
Because it's a 150 meter long "Runabout".

http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...e-behind-5.jpg

Besides even in the game it's called "frigate".
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# 13
11-23-2010, 08:09 AM
well if it shoots like a frigate...
called a frigate..
and has the armor and speed of a frigate...

lets just make it a frigate!

and add like 10-25% to the hull size so we can see the dang thing!

it honestly looks smaller then a runabout when i see it (every day)
to be honest most of th etime i dont see anything!
just the word "Hideki" flying around, and a weak beam overload coming from the letter "d".

some sources say its 150 long... others say 500.
some sites say its a modified shuttle, others say that the shuttle may look similar, but the hideki is bigger...

at some point there isnt enough canon to dictate an exact size or capability.
and since the VoQuv is not fully to scale either... maybe making it begger so we can appreciate it isnt such a bad idea?
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# 14
11-23-2010, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Rek View Post
at some point there isnt enough canon to dictate an exact size or capability.
And at those times CBS dictates the information based on their vetting process to Cryptic.
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# 15
11-23-2010, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Rek View Post
well if it shoots like a frigate...
called a frigate..
and has the armor and speed of a frigate...

lets just make it a frigate!

and add like 10-25% to the hull size so we can see the dang thing!

it honestly looks smaller then a runabout when i see it (every day)
to be honest most of th etime i dont see anything!
just the word "Hideki" flying around, and a weak beam overload coming from the letter "d".

some sources say its 150 long... others say 500.
some sites say its a modified shuttle, others say that the shuttle may look similar, but the hideki is bigger...

at some point there isnt enough canon to dictate an exact size or capability.
and since the VoQuv is not fully to scale either... maybe making it begger so we can appreciate it isnt such a bad idea?
Sounds about right.
There is an interesting read-up about it here (please scroll down to "Hideki", there is not more direct like available):

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/schema...sian_ships.htm

It looks like the shuttle that originally appeared was already around 100 meters (and grey) while the Hideki that appeared in the later shows was even bigger (and had a typical Cardassian colouring)
Just like the one that's in the game.
So it should be the proper size, right?
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# 16
11-23-2010, 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Rek View Post
well if it shoots like a frigate...
called a frigate..
and has the armor and speed of a frigate...

lets just make it a frigate!

and add like 10-25% to the hull size so we can see the dang thing!

it honestly looks smaller then a runabout when i see it (every day)
to be honest most of th etime i dont see anything!
just the word "Hideki" flying around, and a weak beam overload coming from the letter "d".

some sources say its 150 long... others say 500.
some sites say its a modified shuttle, others say that the shuttle may look similar, but the hideki is bigger...

at some point there isnt enough canon to dictate an exact size or capability.
and since the VoQuv is not fully to scale either... maybe making it begger so we can appreciate it isnt such a bad idea?
This is what I mean. Make it one or the other. Either increase the size and make it a proper frigate, or decrease its attributes and make it a shuttle.
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# 17
11-30-2010, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by D-Rek View Post
correct me if i am wrong... but i thought the Hideki was bigger then a run-about, but not as large as a Jem Hadar fighter or Defiant class escort.

the way it looks in game its the size of a federation type 9 shuttle.

is this right?

shouldn't they be a little bigger?


30 years have passed. The Cardassians were able to pack a more powerful punch in a smaller box.


Progress!
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# 18
11-30-2010, 01:41 PM
i think progress is pretty much even on all fronts.

the feds come up with better shields, the klingons better cannons, the romulans steal both, the others steal it back...
the ferrengi get a hold of it... they sell it to every one else!

thats why in theory, when future vessels fight past vessels everything is just about 300% better on all fronts.

i think we can assume that any progress made by the cardies is also made by everybody else!

the question is...

what specs do we go by?

the producers and modelers of the show (DS9) say that although the cardassian shuttle (150m) is the basis of the Hideki (and therefore both are the same size on the set), the Hideki is actually 500m long.

the "official" DS9 spec book says that the Hedeki is a refit cardassian shuttle, both of which are 150m.

both are "canon" sources, and neither has been official Ret-conned.

i think players either want:

A) Hidekis that are roughly 2-3 times bigger and in packs of 2 or 3, like most frigates.
B) squadrons of Hidekis that are in packs of 5-10 and treated like fighters.

not a magic fighter thats as strong as a frigate...

as far as what I want...

i want to SEE a hideki!
Hideki's are CLEARLY visable and easily spotted in DS9 fleet actions... and they genuinely appear almost frigate sized in several encounters. (where a Hideki is roughly 1/3 the size of a Galor)

whats the use of designing and coding a new frigate is you can;t see it and enjoy it?
it just bothers me...
and i don't think i am alone in this...
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# 19
12-01-2010, 06:01 AM
If the Hideki is supposed to be of equal size to a Runabout, then it is actually about the right size.

A Runabout, and therefore the Hideki, is supposed to be 23.1m long. Thats just under 5 times smaller than a (soft canon) B'Rel class which is 110m in length.

It is the Runabout in-game that is the wrong size. Instead of being around 23.1m its probably closer to 80 or 90m in length and it is specificaly this big because if it were its correct size it couldn't physicaly hold enough detail to be a playerable craft due to the fact that the camera would allow you to zoom right up close to it.

Remember that the ship models are not that much bigger to character models - so something as small as the Hideki is actually about the same size as the model for a Rifle.

If, however, you're arguing that the supposed canon sources of the Hideki being equal to a runabout are also wrong, then thats probably something you'd have to take up with CBS since its probably CBS that ensured the Hideki remained its current size.
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# 20
12-01-2010, 06:14 AM
so far that i can see there are only 2 canon sources of information on the Hideki...

one says the Hideki is 150m long...
the other says 500m long...

i haven't seen any information to indicate that it is 23m long.

so if ta runabout is 23m long.... then in EITHER case, the Hideki should be MUCHlonger then a runabout.

so i think cryptic has Definatly gotten it wrong this time!!!
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