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# 21
11-19-2010, 11:45 AM
Something that people tend to forget is that post DS9 the Federation had been though the Borg incursions and the Dominion War. That had massive losses of ships, personnel (especially experienced Captains). With Starfleet needing to rebuild the fleet, there are lots of promotion oppurtunities including promoting exceptional personnel to command positions. And all of the movies and TV series forcus on exceptional crews and not the routine, humdrum that Picard was have been had he not been stabbed in the heart by a Naussican as a cadet. (TNG episode "Tapestry").
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# 22
11-19-2010, 11:45 AM
Ro Laren..... Ro... Laren....
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# 23
11-19-2010, 11:46 AM
hmmm how about some other non major characters we saw that we thought were cool but never returned :'(

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Chell (hes blue)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sito_Jaxa (MIA when the escape pod went kaboom.. maybe she was taken prisoner ? :O )

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nicholas_Locarno (maybe he got back in ? :O)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Reginald_Barclay (A series where you get trapped on the holodeck.. who better t come to the rescue ? :O)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Daniels_(Lieutenant) (this dude was cool... he did'nt do much but he had the cool effect around him)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Brower (dont know who this guy is... picked him out at random)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Robin_Lefler (maybe she wants to kill wesley? :S)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ro_Laren (maybe she survived the maqius massacare,dominion war,anything else that happend and came back to starfleet ? :O )
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# 24
11-19-2010, 11:47 AM
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I don't think you were reading the same novels I was.

Crusher was shown as Captain in the All Good Things series finale, set 25 years into the future. There are no novels that make her a captain.

Troi is a commander and serving with her husband aboard the Titan.

Data is dead in hard canon and only the soft canon comic book prequel shows him anything other then dead.

Ro Laren was never shown in any book being higher then Lt. Cmdr in Starfleet.
Troi hold the rank of Captain in soft cannon, and is the head of holographic development.

data was downloaded into B4 and took command of the enterprise E when picard became ambassador to vulcan, that was hard backstory to JJ Abrams ST09, and the game accepts it as canon.

Ro Laren is the commander of DS9 and also holds the rank of Captain in soft cannon.
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# 25
11-19-2010, 11:54 AM
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Troi hold the rank of Captain in soft cannon, and is the head of holographic development.
The needs of the many is set some 20 years after Titan, which is well into the 25th century. That would encompass a 45 year ST career to make Captain.

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data was downloaded into B4 and took command of the enterprise E when picard became ambassador to vulcan, that was hard backstory to JJ Abrams ST09, and the game accepts it as canon.
The comic is only debatable canon. Even the author said it's only canon until CBS decides to change it.

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Ro Laren is the commander of DS9 and also holds the rank of Captain in soft cannon.
Yeah, I forgot about Zero Sum.
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# 26
11-19-2010, 12:04 PM
Okay, so just because someone is ranked Captain doesn't make them a starship captain, it just means they've progressed to a position of authority.

Troi is only a captain due to the Needs of the Many STO novel, and it happened at some point in the 2400s. In the rest of 'Book Canon' she's still onboard the USS Titan.


Oh and Robin Lefler (and Elizabeth Shelby from best of both Worlds) are characters in Peter David's series; New Frontiers. Lefler is on extended leave from Starfleet, she is sort of Queen-regent of the Thallonian Empire that is central to that book series. Shelby was 1st officer on the Excalibur, then a captain, and now an admiral of the Starbase in that sector. Doctor Selar (one of Crusher's doctor on the 1701-D) is also in the series.
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# 27
11-19-2010, 12:06 PM
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Janeway was promoted in the movie, shes seen giving orders to picard in nemesis with a Vice Admirals rank on, also not book canon, movie cannon.

Maquis were pardoned after the war. And chakotay had a fine command record aboard voyager. So yeah i think he'd be captain of voyager after janeway was promoted, seeing he was first officer and all, and janeway was an admiral with some pull.
Im aware of Janeway in Nemesis, I still think its silly.

I never said it wasen't canon, I just don't agree with it.

It really seems just illogical to me, the maquis were largely responsible for pushing the cardissians into dominion arms. I don't doubt that the voyager maquis crew would be pardoned once returning home but to hand a large technically advanced ship to someone you once branded as terrorists seems foolish. They even make it a point in voyager that starfleet considers the maquis crew separate from the voyager crew.

With this logic the completely unexceptional Harry Kim will eventually get his own..oh wait that did happen in an future of a universe that didn't happen. :p

This really isant an argument of facts, its just an opinion I hold. The navy does not promote every officer to captain at some point, its just not how it works.

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Something that people tend to forget is that post DS9 the Federation had been though the Borg incursions and the Dominion War. That had massive losses of ships, personnel (especially experienced Captains). With Starfleet needing to rebuild the fleet, there are lots of promotion oppurtunities including promoting exceptional personnel to command positions. And all of the movies and TV series forcus on exceptional crews and not the routine, humdrum that Picard was have been had he not been stabbed in the heart by a Naussican as a cadet. (TNG episode "Tapestry").
I can except this explanation to a point. I can see the need for starfleet to fill out its ranks after a time of crisis, however I still don't think nearly every bridge crew member of every series would lead totally exceptional lives after the events that we see.

Things like Cheif O'brian accepting a teaching position after the war makes sense, former members of a terrorist organisation gaining all the priveages and resources of a command do not.
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# 28
11-19-2010, 12:09 PM
I do believe it is mentioned in the loading screens that Ezri resigned/retired from Starfleet. I could be wrong.
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# 29
11-19-2010, 12:11 PM
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hmmm how about some other non major characters we saw that we thought were cool but never returned :'(

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Chell (hes blue)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sito_Jaxa (MIA when the escape pod went kaboom.. maybe she was taken prisoner ? :O )

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nicholas_Locarno (maybe he got back in ? :O)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Reginald_Barclay (A series where you get trapped on the holodeck.. who better t come to the rescue ? :O)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Daniels_(Lieutenant) (this dude was cool... he did'nt do much but he had the cool effect around him)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Brower (dont know who this guy is... picked him out at random)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Robin_Lefler (maybe she wants to kill wesley? :S)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ro_Laren (maybe she survived the maqius massacare,dominion war,anything else that happend and came back to starfleet ? :O )
Robin Lefler is the ops officer on the USS Excalibur.
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# 30
11-19-2010, 12:15 PM
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Im aware of Janeway in Nemesis, I still think its silly.

I never said it wasen't canon, I just don't agree with it.

It really seems just illogical to me, the maquis were largely responsible for pushing the cardissians into dominion arms. I don't doubt that the voyager maquis crew would be pardoned once returning home but to hand a large technically advanced ship to someone you once branded as terrorists seems foolish. They even make it a point in voyager that starfleet considers the maquis crew separate from the voyager crew.

With this logic the completely unexceptional Harry Kim will eventually get his own..oh wait that did happen in an future of a universe that didn't happen. :p

This really isant an argument of facts, its just an opinion I hold. The navy does not promote every officer to captain at some point, its just not how it works.



I can except this explanation to a point. I can see the need for starfleet to fill out its ranks after a time of crisis, however I still don't think nearly every bridge crew member of every series would lead totally exceptional lives after the events that we see.

Things like Cheif O'brian accepting a teaching position after the war makes sense, former members of a terrorist organisation gaining all the priveages and resources of a command do not.
Oh you mean like Kira Nerys? the bajoran resistance was a terroist organization and she rose to the rank of Colonel in The Bajoran militia and eventually became Kai and spiritual leader of her people in STO canon. Yeah terrorist leaders don't gain priviledges and resources of command. Besides i don't think Maquis attack civilian targets, that makes them freedom fighters, not terrorists...
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