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# 211
11-27-2010, 08:41 AM
This tragedy is a direct result of Cryptic listening to the forum QQ Klub!

It consists of a few very vocal people that post over and over again their opinions making it appear that many people want what they want.

Cryptic has made a good move in starting Launcher Polls that will remedy this.

At this point it's in Cryptic's best interest to pretty much avoid this forum feedback and stick to the Launcher Polls until the QQ Klub moves on.
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# 212
11-27-2010, 08:43 AM
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I would also direct you to the Novermber Engineering Reports where it has been completely removed.
In all likelyhood i imagine CBS did not approve.
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# 213
11-27-2010, 08:45 AM
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I would also direct you to the Novermber Engineering Reports where it has been completely removed.
Which means nothing since they've done that before.

But that's not the point, the point is, Cryptic was already for it so the people that keep crying about it should realize they're wasting their time jumping into every thread and raising hell.
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# 214
11-27-2010, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Myrdden74
Which means nothing since they've done that before.

But that's not the point, the point is, Cryptic was already for it so the people that keep crying about it should realize they're wasting their time jumping into every thread and raising hell.
Cryptic was going to make the Enterprise J too. They even put it on their poll and in their Engineering Reports. Then CBS said no, you can't make the J but you can make another future ship. Being ready to do it doesn't mean they can do it.

I don't know if the T5 TOS Constitution will come. I do know that if it does come you're going to see a huge stink about it on the forum, and while it might not be the wedge that drives some people from the game it will be one of the first hammer blows to start pushing a segment of the fan-base away.
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# 215
11-27-2010, 08:55 AM
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This tragedy is a direct result of Cryptic listening to the forum QQ Klub!

It consists of a few very vocal people that post over and over again their opinions making it appear that many people want what they want.

Cryptic has made a good move in starting Launcher Polls that will remedy this.

At this point it's in Cryptic's best interest to pretty much avoid this forum feedback and stick to the Launcher Polls until the QQ Klub moves on.
Launcher polls are useless because all the do is direct people to the website to vote; and you're not required to vote. The same people who don't bother to come to the forum to interact (which is most of the players in the game) won't bother to come and place a vote. Look at the biggest polls Cryptic's had here. Only 11,500 players voted. Even if you assume STO only has 60k players that's less then 20% of the players giving their opinions; and only 11% if you assume STO has 100k players. .
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# 216
11-27-2010, 10:29 AM
The poll I did linked to The Official STO website and asked several pertinant questions.

NOT one of these thread polls!

It looked more like the account choices page, very professional.

If people aren't aware of the option to vote, that gives the forum QQ Klub the chance to continue to push Crptic in the wrong directions as they have been doing all along.

I know people in game who have no time or inclination to come here and wonder about the bizarre and often game breaking changes caused by the forum QQ Klub.
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# 217
11-27-2010, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
The poll I did linked to The Official STO website and asked several pertinant questions.

NOT one of these thread polls!

It looked more like the account choices page, very professional.

If people aren't aware of the option to vote, that gives the forum QQ Klub the chance to continue to push Crptic in the wrong directions as they have been doing all along.

I know people in game who have no time or inclination to come here and wonder about the bizarre and often game breaking changes caused by the forum QQ Klub.
I know. I took it too. My point is that the poll is still optional. There's nothing requiring anyone to take it. The same fans who never come to the forum to take polls or interact with the STO community (which is most of the fans playing the game) are the same fans who don't bother taking launcher polls. If a poll isn't mandatory you're not really getting a true consensus of what the fans want; you're just getting answers from the small segment of the fan-base willing to take the time to do the poll.
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# 218 get a grip
11-27-2010, 11:00 AM
The NX is not a retrofit. its a replica. Not a scale replica, not a materials replica, it resembles the NX ship and is in no way built like the original. The descrip in the c-store says as much.

This is a game, welcome to something you might not like 100%! Some things are going to happen that some folks hate, thats life.

In my opinion, I feel that the people who are hating on the NX replica are the same bunch of people who despise 'Enterprise' as a series. Guess what? Enterprise is CANON. deal with it.

As much as I HATE and despise DS9, i accept the fact that it exists and I DEAL with it. The whole premise of a show that details the life of a Starfleet officer who was a whiny, crybaby quitter who left starfleet for some hippie religious cult irks me to no end, but hey, its CANON so I deal with it.

People who whine and cry about the NX need to just accept that its JUST a bunch of pixels. Tell the truth, you hate 'Enterprise', so you therefore hate ALL things 'Enterprise'.

Its a crying shame that people are arguring over this ship as being available, when PVP is still crap, when memory alpha is still mangled after season 2 launch, and a plethora of other REAL flaws in the game.

Lastly, I gotta say, I love the game on tribble, its so cool. Turning off astrometrics saved this game, IMHO. You rock Cryptic!!!

Just my 2 credits.
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# 219
11-27-2010, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Myrdden74
Yes you continue to enter these threads saying the same things. The immersion argument is moot. End of story. Here are some examples of things that would clearly not be seen in canon yet are here and have been from day one... [...]
And as I have posted before, I will ask again: Is it necessary to add to these mistakes? At which point would STO stop feeling like Star Trek if you continue to put "fun" before atmosphere? Is that really the game we want? Questions we should all be asking ourselves.

Gameplay does not mean "anything goes". We've seen before what happens to a perfectly good setting when it gets ripped apart due to catering to certain playergroups who don't care for the setting but simply want something that was never supposed to be.

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As to your comment Valias about the shapes of ships effecting the structural stability, this is not the case. Only the Nacelles effect the warp field. The shape of the ship WOULD effect its structural stability IF it were flying through a medium like water or gas.
Contradicted by the B'rel's moving wings that fold up for warp transit. And I maintain that there is a reason for why advanced starship designs look the way they do.

Also, space is not an absolute vacuum, as the need for navigational deflectors alone already points out. There was some talk about this in MemAlpha's page about the variable geometry pylons here.

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The reason that none of the ships after the Intrepid Class have articulating nacelles is that Starfleet developed new field geometry that doesn't tear the fabric of subspace.
What's the source on that? I thought warpfield geometry has always been variable? (we already see them fooling around with that in ENT, after all)

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Now I still haven't read a reasonable and logical reason why the NX could not be converted to an escort, it is in fact a little bigger than the Defiant.
And I still haven't read a reasonable and logical reason why the NX should be converted to an escort.

Even if we go by all your explanations and leave out the issue of hull shapes, it still boils down to "for the lulz", as the design does not have a single advantage over contemporary classes. Unprecedented waste of resources.

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In my opinion, I feel that the people who are hating on the NX replica are the same bunch of people who despise 'Enterprise' as a series.
No (as I have already pointed out). I just like a consistent setting, regardless of whether we're talking about an NX or a TOS-Constitution being equal to a Sovereign. Deal with that.
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# 220
11-27-2010, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Superluminous
In my opinion, I feel that the people who are hating on the NX replica are the same bunch of people who despise 'Enterprise' as a series. Guess what? Enterprise is CANON. deal with it.
No one is arguing over the NX. The "argument" in this thread, and in every other thread about the same subject, is about the idea of a T5 NX: an NX equivalent to a Fleet Escort in the game. It's not about hating on Enterprise or hating on the T1 NX. It's just hating on the idea that it, or any other T1 ship, should ever be as good as the best ships in the game.
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