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Lt. Commander
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# 21
11-29-2010, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by claydermunch View Post
wait.. theres several carriers and other klinkers and you are alone?

??? how does that kind of incompetency invalidate the fact that escorts swat em pets best? and should do it?

Yes they spawn new one, every 30 seconds or minute. And then its only 8/2 pets.

???
So now all escort captains are incompetent according to you cuz they dont want to go on pet duty ?

I am guessing you have never entered an arena where there were more than 4 carriers. Try doing pet duty then whilst flying an escort. You again completely ignore the fact that the escorts become target 1 when they are spotted. So now while they are chasing around pets whats your thought on what the KDF player ships are doing?

As i said before, your support heals are going to run out faster than you can take out the pets. Mind you a pet BOP has 26k hp + shielding, alteast thats the number the ones in my carrier reads out to be. You think you can just CSV a hoard of those and just one shot it?
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# 22
11-29-2010, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by claydermunch View Post
Escorts excel at wasting pets.
Those few precious escort captains that i have had the pleasure of meeting were a GREAT equalizer against carriers. They picked of pets and pet clouds quickly and then moved on towards jucier targets.



But to few escorts do that, often citing "If i attack pets, i lose dps vs the carrier! as their argument why they are not nailing pets instead.


That reasoning is BS.

Want to know why?

Most of the time, any decent carrier has its tanking up, that tanking is at least equal and at time better than that of cruisers.
The same tanking that makes your attacks on it a pointless waste of time.

"Waste Dps on pets?" Oh please, at least those things die and get removed from the fight. That carrier you are senselessly beating on for no effect does not. You truly waste your dps on a tanked up carrier - you can never waste it blowing his dps out of space.


You escorts removing pets helps the whole team stay in that area to not only add their firepower to yours but also their support.
IMAGINE THIS: i actually have the means to heal you and keep you alive, but not when i need to use those means to defend myself from pets and klingon players.




Remove those pets, shoot them. They stand no chance to escort level firepower.
A carrier without its swarm is just a big healbot for its team.
Just a big healbot is easier to deal with then a healbot with huge swarm of killtoys attached.





Please escorts, for once follow your job description and ESCORT.
You fail to note that while you are doing this, the carrier is ready to spawn more.

And far more important, that while you are doing this, the 4 other klingon players are systematically focusing fire on one Fed ship at a time, while the feds try to thin the herd in a swarm of fast moving, beam shooting morass of confusion.
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# 23
11-29-2010, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dekkameron View Post
What do you put in the commander sci slot? Personally i have just started to use Photonic officer 3. I think the triple hazard emitters might be a tad overkill, especiallyu with PO3
Tangent: I used PO1 on my BoP in one build to great success as the lower CD's helped cycle my heals/buffs quicker at times.


For the record:
To whom it may concern, in combat the enemy is always attacking in one form or another and is not required to stop and wait while one deals with the hectic existance of how siad combat is playing out.
Other words, why are your teammates not protecting your butt while you target the carrier pets? PvP is a team sport and can not be won by one's self.
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# 24
11-29-2010, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Nerubian_Assasin1
So now all escort captains are incompetent according to you cuz they dont want to go on pet duty ?
He said that if you are alone against multiple enemies you are incompetent.
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# 25
11-29-2010, 11:43 AM
Science ships are much better at killing pets then Escorts. Try Photonic shock wave or Charged partical burst and see lots of fighters blow up.

When I fly my escort I attack the carrier because it pets cant respawn if the carrier is dead.
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# 26
11-29-2010, 01:23 PM
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Science ships are much better at killing pets then Escorts. Try Photonic shock wave or Charged partical burst and see lots of fighters blow up.

When I fly my escort I attack the carrier because it pets cant respawn if the carrier is dead.
CPB + PSW is a good way to fight pet spam - preferably if you also catch a "normal" player ship in it's that is already under fire.

That said - I tend to mix CSV and CRF on my Escort. That way, I can do both - CSV is still a damage buff against single targets, and if there happen to be some pets spawning while I focus fire on the Carrier... well, his loss.
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# 27
11-29-2010, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Andor View Post
Science ships are much better at killing pets then Escorts. Try Photonic shock wave or Charged partical burst and see lots of fighters blow up.

When I fly my escort I attack the carrier because it pets cant respawn if the carrier is dead.
Photonic shock wave on its own does exactly nothing. pets are shielded. even a phot.shockwave III on 125 aux is just a shrug to shielded pets. the combination of CPB prior to PSW does the trick. at least with fighter-pets.

another pet-killer is TRB III on 125 aux. it completely ignores shields.

also fine is a widespread (aux to eng + evasive + warp plasma) warpplasmafield around a cruiser.
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In general I don't disagree with this post. People should be doing the best they can to advance their team in whatever way possible. Just remember that it's easy for a Cruiser to tell an Escort to get over the score and clear out some pets, but it's just as easy for the Escort to tell the Cruiser to give him heal once in a while.

I'm just saying that if people want to talk about teamwork, it really does go both ways. The sooner certain folks realize that, the less likely I am to die within 10km of 4 other allegedly "friendly" Cruisers, and the more likely I am to help you put away those Carriers (and/or their pets).
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# 29
11-29-2010, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveHale View Post
In general I don't disagree with this post. People should be doing the best they can to advance their team in whatever way possible. Just remember that it's easy for a Cruiser to tell an Escort to get over the score and clear out some pets, but it's just as easy for the Escort to tell the Cruiser to give him heal once in a while.

I'm just saying that if people want to talk about teamwork, it really does go both ways. The sooner certain folks realize that, the less likely I am to die within 10km of 4 other allegedly "friendly" Cruisers, and the more likely I am to help you put away those Carriers (and/or their pets).
Hahah, so true.

I was in a Cap and Hold with Bob (we were on our Fed Eng/Cruisers), and we were keeping everyone around us alive in a FvK match, while being pains in the butts of the KDF players.

Problem is as you said, no team work.
People need to learn that you can swap your BOs out in a match to be more effective. Sure you may have to die once, or with some luck you'll leave combat long enough to do it.
End of the day, the proper BO setup, with effective Team Work, will win any match, regardless of what side you're playing.
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# 30
12-01-2010, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RedRicky View Post
He said that if you are alone against multiple enemies you are incompetent.
Again i will re-state, your support heals are going to run out faster than they will run out of pets.

I know you fly a carrier, look at your pet hp for a BOP tell me what that reads, i dont even want to know what a frigate pet hp is...With an escorts full focused fire power it still take a couple of rounds to off one of those pets. Now times the carrier count by 4 or 5, the pet spam gets horrendous. Yeah do pet duty all you want, support heals are not going to last that long and neither is a fed escort ship.
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