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# 71
12-14-2010, 12:30 AM
The borg parts make it possible to permanently tank 30 federation frigates.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s104YM3F1G0 for a video and my post regarding this in the tribble forums.
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# 72
12-14-2010, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MelineAaele View Post
Mandatory?

I Think you are overestimating these parts.. The deflector is crap, the shield is crap, the engine is crap... By All means, fit your ship with these, and Ill laugh when I outrun you with my 225 badge of exploration engine with 17 speed (escort)

As for powerlevels... How mandatory are the mk4 efficient engines really? (answer: not at All - they are a liability for most ships )

im sorry you dont know how wrong you are. have you taken the time to even test them? i have and ill tell you i had a full setup perfect and when i copied my char over to tribb and tested these they blew my mind and ill be willing to bet i can mop the floor with you with them on my ship and i also think they'll be mandatory for pvp
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# 73
12-15-2010, 02:00 AM
They Procc so often under sustained fire that I can see everyone running out and grabbing them, and it will make PvP even more shield tanky. Plus, to make matters worse, it is much less of an issue for a cruiser to get away with running three of these than a Sci/Sci re: reliance on a specialised deflector.

Me no likey - looks cool, but for my money - PvE only please, or drop the procc to about a quarter of its current levels.
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# 74
12-15-2010, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lintyuk
They Procc so often under sustained fire that I can see everyone running out and grabbing them, and it will make PvP even more shield tanky. Plus, to make matters worse, it is much less of an issue for a cruiser to get away with running three of these than a Sci/Sci re: reliance on a specialised deflector.

Me no likey - looks cool, but for my money - PvE only please, or drop the procc to about a quarter of its current levels.
Whats the issue... spread your fire out. I think this could make for some interesting matches. These things will simply make burst damage all that much more important... and no not the kind of burst you do in a silly cruiser.

Teams running 4 cruisers shootings faw everywhere at 25 weapon power will now be severely hurting themselves.

Looks like we will perhaps have some people drop there cruisers for some skill ships again... thank Cryptic.
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# 75
12-15-2010, 03:32 AM
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Whats the issue... spread your fire out. I think this could make for some interesting matches. These things will simply make burst damage all that much more important... and no not the kind of burst you do in a silly cruiser.

Teams running 4 cruisers shootings faw everywhere at 25 weapon power will now be severely hurting themselves.

Looks like we will perhaps have some people drop there cruisers for some skill ships again... thank Cryptic.
You mean, more escorts and raptors / not so many Cruisers, SVs, Carriers and BOPs? Gotcha :p
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# 76
12-15-2010, 03:34 AM
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im sorry you dont know how wrong you are. have you taken the time to even test them? i have and ill tell you i had a full setup perfect and when i copied my char over to tribb and tested these they blew my mind and ill be willing to bet i can mop the floor with you with them on my ship and i also think they'll be mandatory for pvp
Yes, I have tested them.. If you think you can "mop the floor with me" with them, Im game..

Say a 5mil EC wager?

Your Borg equipped ship against my "plain" - Same ship (to be fair)
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# 77
12-15-2010, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MelineAaele View Post
You mean, more escorts and raptors / not so many Cruisers, SVs, Carriers and BOPs? Gotcha :p
Yep... looks like you guys where just ahead of the curve. lol
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# 78
12-15-2010, 03:41 AM
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Yep... looks like you guys where just ahead of the curve. lol
Nah.. We just always played whatever ship we felt like, instead of going the FoTM route :p
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# 79
12-15-2010, 04:08 AM
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Whats the issue... spread your fire out. I think this could make for some interesting matches. These things will simply make burst damage all that much more important
Sage advice, so if it's proccing every 20 or so seconds, the team should just not shoot at them - what when all five are running it? SNB did not seem to affect this procc either.

You know that there is a second set that proccs against the burst damage? If that proccs as often as the Borg gear, Bops, Raptors and Escorts could be hurting themselves.

All I'm saying is that I tested the gear 1v1 with a friend, and it procced too often, so much so in fact, that they did not need to shield heal themselves. I am having visions of matches where nobody is able to get a facing down with the combination of transfer shields etc on top of the regular proccs.

Wear the Borg gear for FvF, Wear the Aegus gear for FvK.

I hope I am wrong, but that is the way it looks to me at the moment.
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# 80
12-15-2010, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Lintyuk
Sage advice, so if it's proccing every 20 or so seconds, the team should just not shoot at them - what when all five are running it? SNB did not seem to affect this procc either.

You know that there is a second set that proccs against the burst damage? If that proccs as often as the Borg gear, Bops, Raptors and Escorts could be hurting themselves.

All I'm saying is that I tested the gear 1v1 with a friend, and it procced too often, so much so in fact, that they did not need to shield heal themselves. I am having visions of matches where nobody is able to get a facing down with the combination of transfer shields etc on top of the regular proccs.

Wear the Borg gear for FvF, Wear the Aegus gear for FvK.

I hope I am wrong, but that is the way it looks to me at the moment.
Last time I played my fed defiant (last night) it was still very very possible to remove a cruiser shield and half its hull in one shot. I would suggest that this might help people get over there mistaken notion that "DPS cruisers" where ever a practical team damage dealer. This is fine with me honestly. I will agree that we need some real pvp testing on these sets. From the limited one on one testing I have done with fleet mates fed ships on tribble my bop cannons killed them anyway, procs or not. I didn't test it but something tells me my escorts with cannons and BOL 3s popping off would have the same effect.

It does seem this will drag out matches for people with unbalanced teams of 4 cruisers... I don't think it will really hurt teams with 2 cruisers 2 escorts and a sci ship. Of course this is the kind of testing that always ends up getting done after things go live. If these sets equalize team builds, it could be a good change.
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