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# 31
05-11-2009, 09:40 AM
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As a generic space-opera action flick, I give it a 4/5.
It had great special effects, even if Abrams abused the shaky-cam to no end and didn't bother to drop his television esque continuous close ups for the big screen. The plot has some obvious loopholes, aside from the standard silliness that time-travel invokes (a running problem in series such as Trek and Terminator). The movie held a solid pace however and delivered some excellent inter-character dialogue. Good humor was also included, especially with Scotty ("I like this ship! It's exciting!" just after a very tense moment). The new warp effects were top notch. The scene with the fleet jumping to vulcan was one of my favorites of the film, it really let you feel how big and powerful, yet incredibly fast these ships are. The use of multiple small phaser blasts to cut down incoming torpedoes was a great addition as well (something previous trek pieces avoided due to budgets I assume as this technology to target and down incoming projectiles exists today and is extremely effective).

As a Star Trek movie (which this is unfortunately titled), I give it a 0/5.
Gene would indeed be turning in his grave. Previous trek films had some form of message about the human condiiton. [Nemesis pondered what it means to be the better person, Insurrection considered the price of immortality and the morality of forced relocation, First Contact considered vengeance and perfection, Generations looked at joy, immortality, duty, and making a difference, etc] This movie's only message seems to be 'join the military'. Gene was very keen on troubles coming from the outside, but in this film interpersonal conflict is used as a macheavelean tool by Kirk on his crew to get what he wants due to "destiny". What the hell is destiny talk doing in Star Trek amoung the main crew? Sure, superstitions, religions, and translinear beings can mention it, but to humans who live with the future being the realm of possibilities, such talk is antithetical to the philosophical foundations of the series.

I can forgive logic errors like black holes allowing for time travel (along with a dozen other misconceptions about black holes), and even the occassional self consistency error like how the ship effortlessly traverses the black hole in the beginning but is destroyed by it later. Those things will only dock a point from its action flick value. But Star Trek, Gene's Star Trek, is better than this mindless summer action flick.
i agree whole heartedly... like i said a few times already... TOS was never really cerebral... and due the lack of popularity at the time it had to do what it could to appeal to the masses...
but even TOS in all it's goofy slapstick and unmitigated confusion.. was not as bad as this... i will be a star trek fan inspite of this movie...

i will like this movie and watch more by the Newphag SW loving tard who thinks he has the right to "make it more interesting"

but he is now my bish... every one hated of Berman and Behr and Braga for DS9 VOY and the TNG era TMP movies... but none of them ever did this... ever... while alot of the old fan base is just happy to be getting attention again... it's not going last forever... people will get frustrated...

and the fact of the matter is... Were not star wars fans... you can't just wave a lightsaber in our faces and expect us to "Ooooh Ahhh" we need substance.. we need something... that speaks to the... ideal behind star trek... which has always been the study of humanity... the ideals and development growth and progress... it's always been more than just a telling or re-telling of a cheesy story...

honestly i don't know why they felt the need to rehash TOS... they want to attract new fans... they want people to take an interest again?... then progress done the story line... make new chit... make shinier chit... get all the moronic oafs interested in how pretty is... but don't forget about "us"... and by us... i mean those of us who sat thru the infinite "model ship" fights... who enjoyed the effection the production staff put into making a intriguing engaging and cerebral story....

one thing my friend said to me put it in perspective... this is a business venture.. between Paramount and the Fans.... and all that Paramount cares about... is the Box office revenue... they don't care about our interests... or desires... so until it becomes profitable to make things in the old way of making a trek series/film... we will probably just be stuck with it.l..
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# 32
05-11-2009, 11:33 AM
As a 41 year old Trekker, loyal fan and lover of all things Trek.. I LOVED the movie. The humor was great the actors representing their famous counterparts did a great job IMO and the alternate timeline/alternate universe is a really cool idea. It wont affect anything we know and love about Trek and maybe even bring new, young people to become Trekkies/Trekkers... I hope there is a sequel AND a TV show to come.. I gave it a 4/5!

Very cool stuff!
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# 33
05-11-2009, 11:37 AM
im surprised by how so many people say stick to the formula that worked dont change it. im sorry sticking to the formula is what destroyed trek. we got crap in DS9 VOYAGER and Enterprise. This movie was brilliant. they took the stale concept and made it fresh and i AM an old school trek fan but i see why the series died off. i dont care too much for the moives plot. but i loved seeing all my old favorites brought back to life with new actors. It WAS Trek through and through. May they continue to change and shape the universe.

as for gene rodenberry rolling in his grave. i very much doubt it. i think hed be proud to see his series brought back in such a good way. that the cast kirk spock and mccoy and all the others are very much alive.

as for you guys at cryptic i would LOVE to see Trewk combat like in the movie. fast paced.

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i will like this movie and watch more by the Newphag SW loving tard who thinks he has the right to "make it more interesting"

I didnt see anything at all star wars like. did we watch the same movie?

but he is now my bish... every one hated of Berman and Behr and Braga for DS9 VOY and the TNG era TMP movies... but none of them ever did this... ever... while alot of the old fan base is just happy to be getting attention again... it's not going last forever... people will get frustrated...

why becuase the old fans didn't get what THEY wanted. As always most people miss the point that most first movies or reboots are generally hit and miss becuase they have to sustitute story for why they did a reboot anyways. look at the first trek movie. terrible. very little of that awesome message trek is about. st:wrath of khan did that for us. even the first TNG movie generations, lacked any sort of message. it was more about lets pass the torch through movies.

and the fact of the matter is... Were not star wars fans... you can't just wave a lightsaber in our faces and expect us to "Ooooh Ahhh" we need substance.. we need something... that speaks to the... ideal behind star trek... which has always been the study of humanity... the ideals and development growth and progress... it's always been more than just a telling or re-telling of a cheesy story...

the ideals of trek? you mean the same heavy handed messages we have got for the past 40 years. that could be why trek was taken off the air. if you cant bring something fresh to the table it grows stale. and no amount of fanbase who (and myself imcluded) like those ideas about trek can save it. sometines things need to be changed to match the world around it.

honestly i don't know why they felt the need to rehash TOS... they want to attract new fans... they want people to take an interest again?... then progress done the story line... make new chit... make shinier chit... get all the moronic oafs interested in how pretty is... but don't forget about "us"... and by us... i mean those of us who sat thru the infinite "model ship" fights... who enjoyed the effection the production staff put into making a intriguing engaging and cerebral story....

so if its not for you it must be crap nevermind all these new people who never before liked trek who are now going back and watching all the old stuff? as i have said sometimes too much damage is done to something and a clean slate is neede.d through bad producers and directors Trek was nearly Finished. yes this movie may lack a few things wed expect but i personally know at least 5 to 7 people who hated treka nd are now planning a movie marathon this weekend. i think the movie did its job well. maybe if we are lucky the next one will have a bit more Trek in it.

one thing my friend said to me put it in perspective... this is a business venture.. between Paramount and the Fans.... and all that Paramount cares about... is the Box office revenue... they don't care about our interests... or desires... so until it becomes profitable to make things in the old way of making a trek series/film... we will probably just be stuck with it.l..

it shoudnt and should matter what you think. i garuntee the bulk of fans out there are like any fanbase. they dislike change. so most companies/comic books/tv shows/ never change their formula. becuase they are afraid of losing their precious little fanbase. well JJ did something bold. he neatly said this isnt for trek fans its for everyone. and every it is. for the first time ever i saw people in a trek film who would never EVEr watch trek. i know people who are now asking me questionzs about old trek and are renting downloading or watching tv shows/movies and series.
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# 34
05-11-2009, 11:59 AM
Ok, First, All you UBER Trek Geeks that think they are stellar Movie critics.. Sit down and shut up. You would not and could not do any better nor even come remotely close.

All this *****ing and crying over a Fantastically made movie. This shows that some people who are far to attached to something. Now, that being said..

I am a Trekkie, for a great number of Years.. Of the original Series and Beyond.. Although I wasnt alive to watch the original, I did watch all the reruns.. What JJ Abrams has done I think showed ALOT of respect to what Gene Rodenberry has created.

The events of the movie allowed for an "ALTERNATE" Time line, so everything all you Hardcore Nerds are crying over is STILL INTACT!!

This Movie had all the elements of a great movie. If we stuck with the same ol same, this movie would have flopped and crashed.. the old nerds with the cospetic pointy ears and phaser pistols would be there.. chewing on popcorn while the rest of the world would yawn and walk right on by.

I laughed hard at this movie, some parts I wanted to cry, because it was Heart felt, some things I was shocked and dismayed.. (IE Spock and Uhura) but hell, it was nice to see Spock grab a Hot chick and she was definately hot.

Kirk was portrayed perfectly, as was every single character.. I would not have changed a thing..

Again, this is an Alternate TIME LINE.. so you all can go back to your basements with your table top games and stop whining.. I applaud JJ Abrhams and STO and all those that chose to BOLDLY GO.. and attempt to make things for us that are entertaining and fresh and new, and everything about this movie was just that..

Its taking Trek in a new direction without screwing up what has already been done.. and as for the temporal Time Cops from the Federation of the Future.. If there was an Alternate time line that was made and did not effect theirs, then there is no problem. Hell, for all we know, alternate time lines are continuously being made around us everyday.

How many times have you looked back and said, Damn, if I had just done this or that.. everything would be different.. We see that as acceptable, yet cry when someone does it for a Movie..

This is exactly what was done... I was grinning ear to ear for hours after this movie.. i will go and see it again and again...
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# 35
05-11-2009, 12:04 PM
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Ok, First, All you UBER Trek Geeks that think they are stellar Movie critics.. Sit down and shut up. You would not and could not do any better nor even come remotely close.

All this *****ing and crying over a Fantastically made movie. This shows that some people who are far to attached to something. Now, that being said..

I am a Trekkie, for a great number of Years.. Of the original Series and Beyond.. Although I wasnt alive to watch the original, I did watch all the reruns.. What JJ Abrams has done I think showed ALOT of respect to what Gene Rodenberry has created.

The events of the movie allowed for an "ALTERNATE" Time line, so everything all you Hardcore Nerds are crying over is STILL INTACT!!

This Movie had all the elements of a great movie. If we stuck with the same ol same, this movie would have flopped and crashed.. the old nerds with the cospetic pointy ears and phaser pistols would be there.. chewing on popcorn while the rest of the world would yawn and walk right on by.

I laughed hard at this movie, some parts I wanted to cry, because it was Heart felt, some things I was shocked and dismayed.. (IE Spock and Uhura) but hell, it was nice to see Spock grab a Hot chick and she was definately hot.

Kirk was portrayed perfectly, as was every single character.. I would not have changed a thing..

Again, this is an Alternate TIME LINE.. so you all can go back to your basements with your table top games and stop whining.. I applaud JJ Abrhams and STO and all those that chose to BOLDLY GO.. and attempt to make things for us that are entertaining and fresh and new, and everything about this movie was just that..

Its taking Trek in a new direction without screwing up what has already been done.. and as for the temporal Time Cops from the Federation of the Future.. If there was an Alternate time line that was made and did not effect theirs, then there is no problem. Hell, for all we know, alternate time lines are continuously being made around us everyday.

How many times have you looked back and said, Damn, if I had just done this or that.. everything would be different.. We see that as acceptable, yet cry when someone does it for a Movie..

This is exactly what was done... I was grinning ear to ear for hours after this movie.. i will go and see it again and again...

Quoted for truth. i agree
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# 36
05-11-2009, 12:10 PM
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Quoted for truth. i agree
Thank you SIr... Your support is appreciated and I support you as well.. Also note... Look at the very bottom of my Blog.. Look at the Definatition of insanity: So that being said.. I think some of these UBER Nerds are Effing INSANE!! Grow up and get a hobby that doesnt include your Model Star Trek Dolls. ok, nuff from me.. LOL
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# 37
05-11-2009, 12:13 PM
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Thank you SIr... Your support is appreciated and I support you as well.. Also note... Look at the very bottom of my Blog.. Look at the Definatition of insanity: So that being said.. I think some of these UBER Nerds are Effing INSANE!! Grow up and get a hobby that doesnt include your Model Star Trek Dolls. ok, nuff from me.. LOL
Hey i totally have dolls >.> but yes they are insane. have fun see you in star trek online.
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# 38
05-11-2009, 01:50 PM
I think the following quote sums the movie up nicely for me:

"Here's what Gene [Roddenberry] said in an interview just before he died in August 1991; somebody had asked him, 'What's going to become of Star Trek in the future?' And he said that he hoped that some day some bright young thing would come along and do it again, bigger and better than he had ever done it. And he wished them well."
Richard Arnold, Roddenberry's assistant

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# 39
05-11-2009, 11:47 PM
Amen Arc!! Amen.. RIP Gene and Congrats JJ Abrahms on a Stellar Movie event that has made Star Trek Bigger and Better then it was.. WOO HOO!!!

Next stop.. Star Trek online!!!! OHHHHH YEA!!!!!
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# 40 Humble
05-13-2009, 08:35 AM
If I may offer my humble opinion...

On the service, i will agree, the movie did seem a bit thin on concepts that Mr. Roddenbery would inject into his sci-fi world. However, upon closer examination I believe that there are central themes that flow throughout the piece that pays homage to the creator and fans alike.

Kirks struggle to answer the weighty call that he knows has been placed on his shoulders. Spock's inability to supress the human emotions that make up who he is as an individual. The conflicts of power that bring about friendships. The inexperience of youth, and the understanding that age can bring. The sacrifice of Kirk senior saving the lives of many (the good of the many outweighs...). The duty that comes with wearing a Starfleet uniform. Understanding when you have become too emotionaly involved in a situation, and when you allow it to taint the mission.

These are all basic to the Star Trek mythos... and are appreciated by this particular Trekkie.

Just because Mr. Abrahms style of directing allows for Character development through action does not place this as a popcorn movie, but just heralds the hectic age that we live in. And if Star Trek has ever been anything, it is a commentary on the world around it.
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