Lt. Commander
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# 1 Some questions...
12-11-2010, 12:47 AM
Well, I've played a couple characters on the demo/trial version now, but I've got a few questions for veteran players before I decide to buy the full version of STO.

1. The Trial version only allows you access to a single ship - a light cruiser - regardless of the class you pick when creating your character. In the full version, when you create a new character, do you ever have the option to pick your preferred ship type, or are you stuck with the same light cruiser until you can afford to buy something new? I'd like to fly an escort or science vessel, but it seems a rather long way off from the trial's perspective.

2. How easy is it to earn money/"energy credits" in STO? Referring to the above question, I think it was something like 20,000 credits to buy a new tier 1 ship (I think that's the lowest tier available, anyways) - how long does it take for a new character to build up that amount? In the trial version, Even after finishing the full intro and the one mission available, I'm still stuck at zero credits.

3. From the looks of it, only the federation and klingons are available as factions at the moment. Is cryptic planning on adding more factions (like the dominion or borg) to the game for players to join?

4. I've seen several species in the game that are not available when creating a new federation character - Caitians, Klingons, etc. etc. One player told me that these are available simply by purchasing the full version of the game, but the Cryptic online store shows them as additional items you have to purchase through microtransactions - so which is it? Personally it seems like they're really milking the players for money by using both a monthly fee and a microtransaction system for basic game content - other MMO'st end to only use one system or the other, not both.

5. Somewhat related to #4, in the current trial version you're able to create Humans, Bajorans, Trill, Saurians, Betazoids, Bolians, Benzites, and the custom Alien species (I think that's all of the options, anyways) - are there additional species to choose from with the full version, or are all of the extra species micro-transaction only?

6. Supposedly you have the option of moving around your ship's bridge while flying (this option is disabled for trials, so I wasnt able to experiment with it). When moving around your ship, are you only able to access the bridge, or are the other parts of the ship available as well? Are players able to visit (or be invited to) the ships of other players?

7. Are you still restricted to only 2 character slots in the full version? I noticed the option to purchase more through microtransactions in the Cryptic online store, but I'm curious if the trial limits the slots more than the full version.

8. Honestly, what kind of content does this game have? The trial doesnt show any kind of pvp, and the pve missions seem a bit on the bland side. For anyone who has played both the trial version and the full version - how much better does it really get from what we've been shown in the demo?

And lastly, the option to buy the digital-only version of the game shows up at 20$ on the website. The local gamestop has STO boxed and new for 10$. Is there really any difference or advantage to paying online?
Lt. Commander
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# 2
12-11-2010, 12:56 AM
1: You can buy more ships in the C-store that are for new characters. Just have to finish the tutorial to actually select them. (like the NX class)

2: These days with the revamped crafting you can earn a disgusting amount of EC in very little time by selling the various samples needed for crafting.

3: Yes. Romulans are probably the next faction.

4: C-Store only as far as I know.

5: See above. There are however Joined Trills(the ones you can select at the moment are unjoined. aka no belly worm) from the Collectors Edition of the game. (or buy Joined Trill in the C-store) and Liberated Borg that comes with a Lifetime subscription.

6: No you do not. While you are on your bridge or any other part of the ship the actual ship is dead in space.
They are maybe working on a way for you to travel while on your bridge.

7: Urr... Think its 3 slots in all. (Lifetime sub comes with more slots)

8: Just enough honestly.
But trial vs full version then full version is obviously better. The missions really takes off when it comes to quality at around LtCom 4 or so.

9: No not really. I think... I like boxes.


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Originally Posted by Telbasta
Personally it seems like they're really milking the players for money by using both a monthly fee and a microtransaction system for basic game content - other MMO'st end to only use one system or the other, not both.
Untrue.
Most MMOs these days got microtransactions on the side.
Yes... Even WoW.
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# 3 Ninjered by the Chat :)
12-11-2010, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Telbasta
Well, I've played a couple characters on the demo/trial version now, but I've got a few questions for veteran players before I decide to buy the full version of STO.

1. The Trial version only allows you access to a single ship - a light cruiser - regardless of the class you pick when creating your character. In the full version, when you create a new character, do you ever have the option to pick your preferred ship type, or are you stuck with the same light cruiser until you can afford to buy something new? I'd like to fly an escort or science vessel, but it seems a rather long way off from the trial's perspective.

2. How easy is it to earn money/"energy credits" in STO? Referring to the above question, I think it was something like 20,000 credits to buy a new tier 1 ship (I think that's the lowest tier available, anyways) - how long does it take for a new character to build up that amount? In the trial version, Even after finishing the full intro and the one mission available, I'm still stuck at zero credits.

3. From the looks of it, only the federation and klingons are available as factions at the moment. Is cryptic planning on adding more factions (like the dominion or borg) to the game for players to join?

4. I've seen several species in the game that are not available when creating a new federation character - Caitians, Klingons, etc. etc. One player told me that these are available simply by purchasing the full version of the game, but the Cryptic online store shows them as additional items you have to purchase through microtransactions - so which is it? Personally it seems like they're really milking the players for money by using both a monthly fee and a microtransaction system for basic game content - other MMO'st end to only use one system or the other, not both.

5. Somewhat related to #4, in the current trial version you're able to create Humans, Bajorans, Trill, Saurians, Betazoids, Bolians, Benzites, and the custom Alien species (I think that's all of the options, anyways) - are there additional species to choose from with the full version, or are all of the extra species micro-transaction only?

6. Supposedly you have the option of moving around your ship's bridge while flying (this option is disabled for trials, so I wasnt able to experiment with it). When moving around your ship, are you only able to access the bridge, or are the other parts of the ship available as well? Are players able to visit (or be invited to) the ships of other players?

7. Are you still restricted to only 2 character slots in the full version? I noticed the option to purchase more through microtransactions in the Cryptic online store, but I'm curious if the trial limits the slots more than the full version.

8. Honestly, what kind of content does this game have? The trial doesnt show any kind of pvp, and the pve missions seem a bit on the bland side. For anyone who has played both the trial version and the full version - how much better does it really get from what we've been shown in the demo?

And lastly, the option to buy the digital-only version of the game shows up at 20$ on the website. The local gamestop has STO boxed and new for 10$. Is there really any difference or advantage to paying online?
1. Yes and no. You get just the Miranda which is a good ship and very capable for Lt play. Now if you like you can drop some real money in the C-Store and pick up The Original Series, (TOS), Constitution, or the NX. Currently there is no dedicated science ship for Lt play. The purchase of these ships opens their use up for any and all toons in your account.

2. You are stuck at zero credits because missions do not give credits at all. Take your loot and sell it to the vendors or place it on the exchange. It takes a while to get credits early on in the game but as a toon progresses you will have more than what you know to do with if you don't blow them all on the exchange getting the flavor of the month shinnies.

3. Looks like the Romulans are the next faction on the roster, but Cryptic has promised that they will hold off on the Rommies till the Klings are in better shape. That should not be too much further off.

4. I never did the trial, but I think you will get a couple extra races depending on the box you buy, like the Joined Trill is only available through what box you buy. Otherwise most other playable characters are available through the C-Store for a negligible amount of money, 80 to 140 Cryptic Points. Still now a days all I ever play are the custom aliens. You can make them look like most any other race and chose all the racial attributes you want. The only playable race not available through box or C-Store are the Liberated Borg, but you can get those by buying a Lifetime Membership.

6. No you can't travel sector space from bridge view. I really hope they fix that in the future. While there is not allot to do on your ship right now yes you can visit the interior. Just click the drop down on the lower right of your mini-map, select visit bridge and you can move on to crew deck and engineering from there through the turbolifts on the side of your bridge.

7. You get three toons to start with and can add more through the C-Store.

8. There is much more to do when you buy the game. While the missions will get better the featured missions are great. PvP is thin right now but still lots of fun and offers the best challenge of the game. Down the road, about six to nine months from now, we should even see persistent PvP in a special zone for it. While not all of it will rock even the Devs are impressed with some of the player authored missions, yup you can make your own mission if you so chose.

I got the Digital Deluxe version of the game. It came with tribble Riv, the Point Defense console, two costume sets, and the Bound trill playable toon, oh and a targ puppy for my Klings. Look around and get the package that excites you the most. There are still great packages offered at GameStop and Amazon that have features similar to the ones I listed and you might even save having it mailed to you or picking up your box in the store. Still the digital version I got made me plenty happy.
Lt. Commander
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# 4
12-11-2010, 05:04 AM
I would definitely say buy a box and give the game a try for a month or 2 so you can actually see for yourself. Playing solo is cool but i would find a good active fleet to join to make it more fun. I have been playing STO since the beginning of Closed Beta and I am a lifetime subscriber since before launch and i dont regret it at all.
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# 5
12-11-2010, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Telbasta
1. The Trial version only allows you access to a single ship - a light cruiser - regardless of the class you pick when creating your character. In the full version, when you create a new character, do you ever have the option to pick your preferred ship type, or are you stuck with the same light cruiser until you can afford to buy something new? I'd like to fly an escort or science vessel, but it seems a rather long way off from the trial's perspective.
Everyone starts play in a Light Cruiser. You can purchase some additional Light Cruisers from the Cryptic Store. Current the TOS Constitution and NX Enterprise are available, with the Oberth forthcoming. After 10 levels of playing you get a new ship choice for free. So at Ranks 1-10 you're an Ensign to Lieutenant and fly a Light Cruiser. At Ranks 11-20 you're a Lt. Commander will upgrade for free to one of the Cruiser, Escort, or Science Vessel ships for that Rank. At Ranks 21-30 you're a full Commander and will get new choices to make, and so on as you keep advancing in Rank.

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2. How easy is it to earn money/"energy credits" in STO? Referring to the above question, I think it was something like 20,000 credits to buy a new tier 1 ship (I think that's the lowest tier available, anyways) - how long does it take for a new character to build up that amount? In the trial version, Even after finishing the full intro and the one mission available, I'm still stuck at zero credits.
Earning credits is quite easy. A don't have a VA who doesn't have at least 2-3 million credits, and some of them have 15-30 million.

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3. From the looks of it, only the federation and klingons are available as factions at the moment. Is cryptic planning on adding more factions (like the dominion or borg) to the game for players to join?
It is said the Romulans will be next, sometime within a year.

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4. I've seen several species in the game that are not available when creating a new federation character - Caitians, Klingons, etc. etc. One player told me that these are available simply by purchasing the full version of the game, but the Cryptic online store shows them as additional items you have to purchase through microtransactions - so which is it? Personally it seems like they're really milking the players for money by using both a monthly fee and a microtransaction system for basic game content - other MMO'st end to only use one system or the other, not both.
Some species come with buying certain boxsets or game perks. The Joined Trill comes from buying the game from one particular company. The Liberated Borg is a Lifetime Subscriber perk. The game also allows you to buy different species from the Cryptic Store.

As far as MTs, they're becoming far more common in the industry, even on Subscription-based games. WoW sells Vanity Pets and the Celestial Steed in their MT store. The subscription fees for MMOs haven't changed much in nearly a decade. 6-7 years ago I was playing $15.00 a month just like I am now. Inflation, alone, should have increased subscription prices to the low $20.00 by now. I don't begrudge any company trying to make an extra $2-$3.00 a month with MTs; especially when the items are fluff-based rather then game changing.


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5. Somewhat related to #4, in the current trial version you're able to create Humans, Bajorans, Trill, Saurians, Betazoids, Bolians, Benzites, and the custom Alien species (I think that's all of the options, anyways) - are there additional species to choose from with the full version, or are all of the extra species micro-transaction only?
I believe that is the full list. Any others come from purchase perks or from the C-store.

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6. Supposedly you have the option of moving around your ship's bridge while flying (this option is disabled for trials, so I wasnt able to experiment with it). When moving around your ship, are you only able to access the bridge, or are the other parts of the ship available as well? Are players able to visit (or be invited to) the ships of other players?
There are other areas: engineering, sickbay, ten forward, captain's quarters, and ready room, with new areas expected to be added as tech and time allows.

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7. Are you still restricted to only 2 character slots in the full version? I noticed the option to purchase more through microtransactions in the Cryptic online store, but I'm curious if the trial limits the slots more than the full version.
You start out with 2. At level 5 you gain another slot. 3 is the limit. If you want more slots you have to earn them via Vet Rewards or purchase them from the C-store.

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8. Honestly, what kind of content does this game have? The trial doesnt show any kind of pvp, and the pve missions seem a bit on the bland side. For anyone who has played both the trial version and the full version - how much better does it really get from what we've been shown in the demo?
"Better" is subjective. What's better for me might be terrible for you and vice-versa. The episodes are basically classic Star Trek-type stuff. The patrols and DSE encounters are routine combats reflecting the Federation being at war with the Klingons. Exploration missions are somewhat in the middle. Some players might find it all bland and some might find it all very exciting. Since I don't know you and you don't know me I can't really give you a concise answer.

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And lastly, the option to buy the digital-only version of the game shows up at 20$ on the website. The local gamestop has STO boxed and new for 10$. Is there really any difference or advantage to paying online?
The only advantage to buying from company A over company B is whatever game item perk you get from buying from A or B. Digital or disk makes no difference.
Lt. Commander
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# 6
12-11-2010, 01:26 PM
Right then, thanks for all the answers and help guys, gonna go pick up the game today - I think the box version comes with 30 days free and at a lower prices than the digital version, the extra rewards dont seem all that important to me. Probably going to end up buying caitians and maybe one of those ships though - in the trial I tried making a feline-style alien but you cant really even get close, no option for fur, proper eyes, ears, tail, etc. All I ended up with looks like an orange vulcan >.>

Any fleets out there recruiting new players? =P
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# 7
12-11-2010, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Telbasta
Well, I've played a couple characters on the demo/trial version now, but I've got a few questions for veteran players before I decide to buy the full version of STO.

1. The Trial version only allows you access to a single ship - a light cruiser - regardless of the class you pick when creating your character. In the full version, when you create a new character, do you ever have the option to pick your preferred ship type, or are you stuck with the same light cruiser until you can afford to buy something new? I'd like to fly an escort or science vessel, but it seems a rather long way off from the trial's perspective.
As stated, everyone starts out in a light cruiser. You can buy either a TOS Constitution or ENT NX class from the C-Store. I don't know much about the NX, but the TOS Connie gives you an extra Engineering slot over the standard Miranda variants. Once you are promoted to Lieutenant Commander when you reach level 11 (Note: be sure to spend all of your skill points or you won't receive the promotion mission) you will get a "plaque" from Admiral Quinn to take to the ship requisition officer on the second level of the shipyard in ESD to choose your choice of Escort, Cruiser, or Science Vessel. You can choose whichever class you want to regardless of your career track, but you generally can use your skills more effectively if you choose a vessel that coincides with your profession. After each promotion, you will again have the opportunity to upgrade your ship in the same manner.

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2. How easy is it to earn money/"energy credits" in STO? Referring to the above question, I think it was something like 20,000 credits to buy a new tier 1 ship (I think that's the lowest tier available, anyways) - how long does it take for a new character to build up that amount? In the trial version, Even after finishing the full intro and the one mission available, I'm still stuck at zero credits.
You earn energy credits (EC) by selling loot or participating in PvP (after level 6). You do not have to spend credits on ships if you don't want to as you will get a free one after every promotion as stated above. You will get better loot drops and earn more EC after you reach Lieutenant Commander.

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3. From the looks of it, only the federation and klingons are available as factions at the moment. Is cryptic planning on adding more factions (like the dominion or borg) to the game for players to join?
The next faction will supposedly be the Romulans, but don't expect it in the near future until the Klingon faction is improved.

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4. I've seen several species in the game that are not available when creating a new federation character - Caitians, Klingons, etc. etc. One player told me that these are available simply by purchasing the full version of the game, but the Cryptic online store shows them as additional items you have to purchase through microtransactions - so which is it? Personally it seems like they're really milking the players for money by using both a monthly fee and a microtransaction system for basic game content - other MMO'st end to only use one system or the other, not both.
Certain species are only available through C-store transactions, such as the Caitians, Klingons, Joined Trill, and a few more. You can also create other races by choosing Alien and playing around with the creator. There are also some useful guides to creating these characters on the forums. You can find them in my index thread in my signature.

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5. Somewhat related to #4, in the current trial version you're able to create Humans, Bajorans, Trill, Saurians, Betazoids, Bolians, Benzites, and the custom Alien species (I think that's all of the options, anyways) - are there additional species to choose from with the full version, or are all of the extra species micro-transaction only?
You can create Vulcans and Andorians as well.

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6. Supposedly you have the option of moving around your ship's bridge while flying (this option is disabled for trials, so I wasnt able to experiment with it). When moving around your ship, are you only able to access the bridge, or are the other parts of the ship available as well? Are players able to visit (or be invited to) the ships of other players?
You can visit your ships interior but if you do so while travelling, you will stop where you are. As of now, you can access your Bridge and Ready room. By accessing the turbolift from the bridge, you can access two more levels. On the crew level, you can access your quarters, the ship's lounge, and sickbay. On the Engineering level, you can access the engine and transporter rooms. As the Foundry is improved, we will supposedly be able to add more interior and customize it. And yes, you can invite other players to visit your ship.

7. Are you still restricted to only 2 character slots in the full version? I noticed the option to purchase more through microtransactions in the Cryptic online store, but I'm curious if the trial limits the slots more than the full version.

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8. Honestly, what kind of content does this game have? The trial doesnt show any kind of pvp, and the pve missions seem a bit on the bland side. For anyone who has played both the trial version and the full version - how much better does it really get from what we've been shown in the demo?
This is a hot topic as it is universally agreed (even by the Devs) that the beginning content is lacking and not much of a sell for the game. The content does get better and with weekly episodes, we get a series of 5 missions introduced over a 5 week period (one a week). Once the episode story arc is done, there is usually a three week lull before the next one (maybe longer for this one due to Season 3 expansion being released and the Holidays). There is no PvP in the Trial and not until after level 6 in the full version.

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And lastly, the option to buy the digital-only version of the game shows up at 20$ on the website. The local gamestop has STO boxed and new for 10$. Is there really any difference or advantage to paying online?
I bought the box myself but I get the digital copy as a lifetime subscriber. The advantage I could think of is if you lose your disc and need to download the game again for some reason (ex. new computer), then you have direct access. Another reason would be the digital copy will (should?) be up to date with the latest patches, while the disc you would need to download the game from the disc and then all of the patches from the launcher. I'm sure someone will chime in if I'm wrong in this or with other pros and cons.

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Any fleets out there recruiting new players? =P
Check the StarBase 1 or Qo'Nos forums for Fleet recruitment.

Hope this helps and if you buy the game, enjoy.
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# 8
12-11-2010, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Telbasta
30 days free
Do note you still need a credit card to get those 30 days for free. (or paypal or whatever)


But they are free in a sense you get an extra 30 days at no extra charge.
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