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Lt. Commander
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# 101
01-09-2011, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Valias
IMaybe the female wearing the armour felt her natural boobs are too small, so she tried compensating with metal ones. :p
Actually, that could very well be the reason.

I'd imagine in a culture like the Klingons have, a healthy individual would be more desirable than a scrawny, malnourished weakling.

Now, a male can show off his strength and power rather well even with full armor. But a female with a healthy, well-fed and properly filled-out body?

Well, she can easily prove she is strong even in full plate. But how can she show that she has a healthy shape? She'd have a very difficult time proving that in layer upon layer of armor. But a diamond cut right at the cleavage would be an ideal solution, assuming the Klingon heart isn't placed similarly to a human's. And even then, a warrior worth her salt wouldn't let a foe get close enough for a stabbing thrust right on target anyway. The rest of the body is fully, or at least mostly, covered in armor, so the danger to her is only marginally greater than it would be on a male.

Those whose strength would otherwise be sufficient, but they're naturally small-breasted, or flat-chested? They would naturally wear something to compensate, to make them look bigger than they actually were.

At least it seems logical to me. I'm not exactly well-versed in Klingon lore.
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# 102
01-09-2011, 01:43 AM
Your thoughts are quite similar to my own.

"Klingons evolved battle-ready bodies on a harsh planet. The ferocity of their circumstances molded their minds, making aggression a virtue, candor a must, and utility the only criteria by which to measure value."
- Blood and Honor, Klingon Empire P&P sourcebook

If you extend the idea of "utility" on the female form, then you could argue that big breasts are an obvious indicator of readiness for maternity, so any female Klingon seeking to mate (or even just to be accepted as an equal/adult) would try to emphasize them. This would still hold true even if this is only anchored in their minds subconsciously. Basically, it's the same with Humans, just that Klingons are even more obvious about advertising this.
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# 103
01-09-2011, 02:20 AM
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Now, a male can show off his strength and power rather well even with full armor. But a female with a healthy, well-fed and properly filled-out body?

Well, she can easily prove she is strong even in full plate. But how can she show that she has a healthy shape?
That is why transparent aluminum was invented, all the protection and all the optics in one.
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# 104
01-09-2011, 02:22 AM
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That is why transparent aluminum was invented, all the protection and all the optics in one.
You... Are my hero for the day!
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# 105
01-09-2011, 02:33 AM
Interesting conversation here and I am inclined to agree with what Valias is saying. One of the KDFs advantages is that there is a certain amount of racial distinction that is completely missing on the UFPs side.

I do not like the idea of every female in the KDF suddenly sporting Orion bikinis. I do however feel that Klingons in general should have more options for clothing, especially for the custom aliens. Off duty uniforms, while I do not recall them in canon, and formal wear would be nice options for KDF players to enjoy as they will. No matter what though I cannot shake the feeling that aside from the default KDF armor custom aliens should get a few other options. Oh and the KDF armor is due for an update. It is the 24th century after all. One of these would be nice as well for those who like the TOS style KDF.
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# 106
01-09-2011, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Idali
That is why transparent aluminum was invented, all the protection and all the optics in one.
Cue Barbarella.

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One of the KDFs advantages is that there is a certain amount of racial distinction that is completely missing on the UFPs side.
Ironically the lack in options still makes the KDF feel way more "uniform" than Starfleet. Not that this would be a bad thing - at least that's one faction that still resembles its original from the shows.

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Off duty uniforms, while I do not recall them in canon, and formal wear would be nice options for KDF players to enjoy as they will.
Hmm, I recall Worf's and Dax's wedding gowns, or the clothes worn by Kor, Koloth and Kang, or the fur jacket from the Klingon Ambassador. There've been a few good examples - though I do think that combat uniforms (of which the KDF could still use a couple more canon ones!) should take precedence.

That said, according to the recent "Ask Cryptic", they do plan on removing the difference between Duty and Off Duty altogether, which is a good thing and should have never been in the game in the first place.
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# 107
01-09-2011, 04:40 PM
I agree if my orion is a kdf officer why the hell can't he wear a kdf uniform.

More options are better, the cannon nazis can always dress up how they want anyways, and if seeing an orion wearing klingon or naussican clothing makes them go into a wheezing cannon seizure then maybe it's time to engage real life at maximum warp for a few months.
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# 108
01-09-2011, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Astropath
I agree if my orion is a kdf officer why the hell can't he wear a kdf uniform.
Is it possible you missed the reason for this thread? Orions can wear KDF armour. See example here. This thread is about making species wear clothes that are (a) totally outside the scope of their culture and (b) part of the unique appearance of Orion characters.

But thanks for your participation.

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More options are better, the cannon nazis can always dress up how they want anyways, and if seeing an orion wearing klingon or naussican clothing makes them go into a wheezing cannon seizure then maybe it's time to engage real life at maximum warp for a few months.
Way to go triggering Godwin's Law! Congrats, you sure made your point with that one.

If all you think about is the maximum display of skin, then maybe it's time for you to go watch a porn movie instead of turning this game into one. Y'know, just in case you've misunderstood what this game is actually about.

PS: I'll give you a hint. It begins with "Star". Oh, and as for your typo, see my signature.
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# 109
01-09-2011, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Astropath
I agree if my orion is a kdf officer why the hell can't he wear a kdf uniform.

More options are better, the cannon nazis can always dress up how they want anyways, and if seeing an orion wearing klingon or naussican clothing makes them go into a wheezing cannon seizure then maybe it's time to engage real life at maximum warp for a few months.
I can answer that.

Nausicaan gear is not KDF standard equipment. That's why.

Your Orion does in fact have access to all standard KDF clothing and armor. In fact, for ages, that's all they had.

Now they have race-specific armor and clothing. Your Orion is not a Nausicaan. It cannot and will not wear Nausicaan clothes.

Sorry. I think an Orion babe would be hot in a Nausicaan half-plate and bikini, too, but it just won't happen, with any luck.
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# 110
01-19-2011, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Valias
Is it possible you missed the reason for this thread? Orions can wear KDF armour. See example here. This thread is about making species wear clothes that are (a) totally outside the scope of their culture and (b) part of the unique appearance of Orion characters.

But thanks for your participation.

Way to go triggering Godwin's Law! Congrats, you sure made your point with that one.

If all you think about is the maximum display of skin, then maybe it's time for you to go watch a porn movie instead of turning this game into one. Y'know, just in case you've misunderstood what this game is actually about.

PS: I'll give you a hint. It begins with "Star". Oh, and as for your typo, see my signature.

That's not a Godwin, canon nazi is like grammarnazi it's not really comparing someone to the nazis but essentially a different way of calling someone excessively strict while also insulting them, in this case with regards to sticking to canon and personal immersion, other times grammar, like how some people will say "that's gay" instead of "that sucks". I prefer canon obsessive or script obsessive depending.

On topic, I like the idea, it's really not much different from say an Englishwoman wearing everyone's favourite chinese dress the qipao, it at the very least makes sense to open it up as an option for non klingons, it's quite believable a player alien's species could have a similar style of clothing to Orions, and for a joined trill the reasons would be very much like an Englishwoman in a qipao. It's a bit harder to justify a klingon wearing it but still plausible since we can differentiate player klingons more than the tv ones.

Now we come onto the greathall and whether it's too raunchy for a military hq, I'm going to have to say no to that idea as the greathall's layout is itself silly, really we should have a complex and travel between multiple buildings as I would think that the greathall would really be for more ceremonial things or celebratory revelry than military things. Thus I question whether the greathall is a proper military location and not just somewhere with a small military add on. But as cryptic can't give us much we get this
compact place that serves all these functions at once. Also possible is it's the pomp and ceremony part of a mil base and the chancellor feels safe or something there instead of a govt building with the whole
Undine thing. But I think the greathalls status is sufficiently in question to make "it's too raunchy" a non
problem.


See all you need is some creativity and an open mind, pretty Trek in spirit if you ask me.
Imo this may well be easier to "explain" why it could be in than the open jacket uni of the vulcan and
alien.

Now I think about it a little, it's also pretty easy to justify Klingons wearing it, Mongols. Iirc they adopted some elements of conquered cultures they liked, even it didn't always or even often get back to Mongolia, some Mongols still did it.
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