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# 1 Escorts have their purpose.
12-16-2010, 09:46 AM
So lately I see a lot of people saying how escorts are the weakest ships in the game. Well I am here to tell you this is just not true. (i posted this in PvP discussion cause lets face it... no one else really knows about the ships... they just think they are "pretty")

Escorts, to me, are just severely misunderstood. Everyone expects them to tank while pouring out tons of damage.... sorry boys and girls that is just not the case.

In an MMO perspective Escorts are the damage dealers and as such A) have the lowest armor, and B) have the lowest health. Now cryptic has made the sci ships with lowest health and escorts above that with cruisers being the highest. Yes the escorts have lower shields but they have higher speed which increases defense... (if you aren't runing above 50 power to engines you are just doing it wrong)

just a recap of the material so far....
1) Escorts have the 2nd highest hull,
2) escorts(good) have speed for defense.
3) Escorts are the DPS class.

With the game set up as it is with damage resist stacking, you NEED an escort or many many many sci.

The escort is used as a hit and run type ship. Anyone familiar with MMORPGs knows that to be a good dps dealer you need to do damage but also need to break combat if needed to not become a taxation on your healer. I just chuckle when I see escorts getting focused and still tunnel visioning on their target and you can just see their healer slamming buttons to keep them alive....

best ship in the game (In my opinion) is the defiant-r. You come in and insta incinerate sci ships or escorts that are not buffed. then if you dont get targeted by the entire other team (maybe just one or two) you stay in and fight, your defenses can hold for a while with that much damage. If you get focused... RUN.... that simple... its not cowardly... its smart. I think its been refered to as "tactical redeployment". Escorts are not supposed to be tanks... if thats what you want, then go over to the dark side and fly a BoP. Escorts are not by any means the weakest ship, just (as i see) misunderstood in their purpose.

alrighty... final review...
1) Escorts have the 2nd highest hull,
2) escorts(good) have speed for defense.
3) Escorts are the DPS class (burst damage)
4)escorts are not tanks so if you are getting focused its time to apply some "tactical redeployment" aka get your butt out of there.

and if you want a ship that can tank but is still considered to be an escort, level a klink and build a tank BoP. Nuff said, if you think escorts are the weakest then in all actuality it is not the ship, it is the person piloting it I prefer escorts over any other class TBH
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# 2
12-16-2010, 09:49 AM
Holy wall of text, batman!!!!
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# 3
12-16-2010, 09:53 AM
The first rule of the PvP board is - "use paragraphs", the second is "blame Fed teamwork". You need to follow at least the first rule.

[please edit the OP, I agree that escorts are good ships, but I can't tell why you think that!]
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# 4
12-16-2010, 10:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBushman
So lately I see a lot of people saying how escorts are the weakest ships in the game. Well I am here to tell you this is just not true. (i posted this in PvP discussion cause lets face it... no one else really knows about the ships... they just think they are "pretty") Escorts, to me, are just severely misunderstood. Everyone expects them to tank while pouring out tons of damage.... sorry boys and girls that is just not the case. In an MMO perspective Escorts are the damage dealers and as such A) have the lowest armor, and B) have the lowest health. Now cryptic has made the sci ships with lowest health and escorts above that with cruisers being the highest. Yes the escorts have lower shields but they have higher speed which increases defense... (if you aren't runing above 50 power to engines you are just doing it wrong) just a recap of the material so far.... 1) Escorts have the 2nd highest hull, 2) escorts(good) have speed for defense. 3) Escorts are the DPS class. With the game set up as it is with damage resist stacking, you NEED an escort or many many many sci. The escort is used as a hit and run type ship. Anyone familiar with MMORPGs knows that to be a good dps dealer you need to do damage but also need to break combat if needed to not become a taxation on your healer. I just chuckle when I see escorts getting focused and still tunnel visioning on their target and you can just see their healer slamming buttons to keep them alive.... best ship in the game (In my opinion) is the defiant-r. You come in and insta incinerate sci ships or escorts that are not buffed. then if you dont get targeted by the entire other team (maybe just one or two) you stay in and fight, your defenses can hold for a while with that much damage. If you get focused... RUN.... that simple... its not cowardly... its smart. I think its been refered to as "tactical redeployment". Escorts are not supposed to be tanks... if thats what you want, then go over to the dark side and fly a BoP. Escorts are not by any means the weakest ship, just (as i see) misunderstood in their purpose. alrighty... final review... 1) Escorts have the 2nd highest hull, 2) escorts(good) have speed for defense. 3) Escorts are the DPS class (burst damage) 4)escorts are not tanks so if you are getting focused its time to apply some "tactical redeployment" aka get your butt out of there. and if you want a ship that can tank but is still considered to be an escort, level a klink and build a tank BoP. Nuff said, if you think escorts are the weakest then in all actuality it is not the ship, it is the person piloting it I prefer escorts over any other class TBH
Wall of text crits you for over 9000!!!!!!!!
Everyone: WHAT 9000!!?!?!?!?!?!?

But in all seriousness....

1) Quite possibly, but we have the least amount of heals.

2) Everyone can get speed for defense, the magic number is 26 for impulse...the actual engine power is only part of the equation.

3)a) Yes, escorts are glass cannons.

b)I think bops are lower health/shield then escorts actually.

Just a little change to the pilot making the ship statement...
Equation of video games.

Great skill+great gear=Exceptional player
Great skill+below average gear= pretty decent player
Below average skill+great gear=little less then decent player
Great skill+horrible gear=bad player
\Horrible skill+ best gear= horrible player

The skill of the player is the major contributing factor but if you put the best player in a runabout with all turrets....lamb to the slaughter. Likewise when you put the worst player in the most devastating ship with all the best equipment, the player would be a sitting duck wonder how to fire and use abilities
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# 5
12-16-2010, 10:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBushman
So lately I see a lot of people saying how escorts are the weakest ships in the game. Well I am here to tell you this is just not true. (i posted this in PvP discussion cause lets face it... no one else really knows about the ships... they just think they are "pretty")

Escorts, to me, are just severely misunderstood. Everyone expects them to tank while pouring out tons of damage.... sorry boys and girls that is just not the case.

In an MMO perspective Escorts are the damage dealers and as such A) have the lowest armor, and B) have the lowest health. Now cryptic has made the sci ships with lowest health and escorts above that with cruisers being the highest. Yes the escorts have lower shields but they have higher speed which increases defense... (if you aren't runing above 50 power to engines you are just doing it wrong)

just a recap of the material so far....
1) Escorts have the 2nd highest hull,
2) escorts(good) have speed for defense.
3) Escorts are the DPS class.

With the game set up as it is with damage resist stacking, you NEED an escort or many many many sci.

The escort is used as a hit and run type ship. Anyone familiar with MMORPGs knows that to be a good dps dealer you need to do damage but also need to break combat if needed to not become a taxation on your healer. I just chuckle when I see escorts getting focused and still tunnel visioning on their target and you can just see their healer slamming buttons to keep them alive....

best ship in the game (In my opinion) is the defiant-r. You come in and insta incinerate sci ships or escorts that are not buffed. then if you dont get targeted by the entire other team (maybe just one or two) you stay in and fight, your defenses can hold for a while with that much damage. If you get focused... RUN.... that simple... its not cowardly... its smart. I think its been refered to as "tactical redeployment". Escorts are not supposed to be tanks... if thats what you want, then go over to the dark side and fly a BoP. Escorts are not by any means the weakest ship, just (as i see) misunderstood in their purpose.

alrighty... final review...
1) Escorts have the 2nd highest hull,
2) escorts(good) have speed for defense.
3) Escorts are the DPS class (burst damage)
4)escorts are not tanks so if you are getting focused its time to apply some "tactical redeployment" aka get your butt out of there.

and if you want a ship that can tank but is still considered to be an escort, level a klink and build a tank BoP. Nuff said, if you think escorts are the weakest then in all actuality it is not the ship, it is the person piloting it I prefer escorts over any other class TBH
Less eye bleeds this way.
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# 6
12-16-2010, 10:32 AM
Well, that was a good post.

That was a good post.

And to sum up, that was a good post.
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# 7
12-16-2010, 10:41 AM
Good points... to take it a step further...

ATTN: FEDS
Your pugs LOOSE all the time cause you won't get out of that silly cruiser. YOU are not going to tank a damage speced klink team... YOU are not going to do enough damage to WIN. Simple solution, fly a few escorts. Yes 5 sci ships... or 5 engi cruisers... may eke out a win... sometimes. Against some klinks. However you are ALL in cruisers, and most of you are not at all in the right ships.
End Rant.

Honestly I see so many skilled fed pilots flying the wrong ship... if you are half way decent do yourself a solid; go to tribble right now and fly a few of the escorts, try the ones you have never flown before. Think of your play style when you load it. Guess what you will like it.
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# 8
12-16-2010, 10:46 AM
I somewhat disagree.

A cruiser can pop the same amount of damage that an escort can *with* survivability - thus probably more damage over time.

A science vessel whilst I dont think it can equal the same damage output *i may be wrong* has abilities that would just ruin your day and more survivability.

I dont expect my ship to live/tank. I do expect it to do the most damage out of the three.

I never run with above the absolute lowest in my engines and no I am doing it right.. for me.

oh and the condescending tone used, not cool
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# 9
12-16-2010, 10:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduckie
A cruiser can pop the same amount of damage that an escort can *with* survivability - thus probably more damage over time.
FAIL... Damage over time is mostly USELESS. Have fun when everyone starts running new defensive sets and even bad players start laughing at your Damage over time. NO ship in the game can kill faster then an escort class ship. Non. Can a cruiser do damage, yes it can. Can a cruiser do 40-100k of damage in 4 seconds.... NO it can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigduckie
A science vessel whilst I dont think it can equal the same damage output *i may be wrong* has abilities that would just ruin your day and more survivability.

I dont expect my ship to live/tank. I do expect it to do the most damage out of the three.

I never run with above the absolute lowest in my engines and no I am doing it right.. for me.

oh and the condescending tone used, not cool
Your mistake is thinking that the damage clock at the end of a match is a measure of usefulness. Right now the kill counter is set up in a bad way... and yes with your FAW or simple sustained needeling you end up with credit for a ton of kills. However you are far from the most dangerous target on the field. The escort that dips in and out of battle... and does 30-50k damage a kill is the real problem for the other team.
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# 10
12-16-2010, 11:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBushman
and if you want a ship that can tank but is still considered to be an escort, level a klink and build a tank BoP. Nuff said, if you think escorts are the weakest then in all actuality it is not the ship, it is the person piloting it I prefer escorts over any other class TBH
I'd almost suggest Vor'cha over BoP for the "Tanky Escort" even if the Vor'cha is a Battle Cruiser.
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