No we don't.

But the typhoon battleship would be nice.

no we must have carriers and they should battlecloak as well, only then will the sides be approaching balance atm the kdf have everything and we have nothing, dammed unfair

I'm pretty sure you're kidding, but considering the "Fed Carrier" crowd... I can't be sure.


To the OP: The Federation should not have carriers. Carriers are a Klingon mechanic, just as Battle Cloak. Stop trying to break down any semblance of faction differences.

...or they simply traveled inside the warpfield of a larger ship.
We know they can be extended to surround more than just the ship equipped with them.

Agreed we don't need a Federation carrier.
I wonder what happens when the Romulans come into the game will people say we need a Federation Warbird or the game is horribly imbalanced?

There is also the question why in episdoes like "A Message in a Bottle" the Akira did not launch any fighters.
Fighting multiple Warbirds at the same time would have clearly warranted launching fighters.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that even at around 400 meters, the forward launch bay would be a coule of meters too small to launch a 32+ meter larger fighter.

However I do have question regarding the "160 meter frigate": if the Akira is 160 meters, what size does the Defiant in this scene have?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9...2322h53m28.png

As you can see, the Defiant covers part of the Akira's nacelle so the Akira is behind the Defiant. So either the Federation has midget-Defiants the size of a Runabout or your 160 meter idea is off the mark my a factor of 2 or more.

Also here you can see the size difference between the two ships:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/101...2014h21m44.png

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/260...2014h22m59.png

Since the Defiant is supposed to be somewhere around 120 and 170 meters, why is the Akira not even remotely the same size as the Defiant?

Valias, you once said the SFX guys scaled the Akira around 250 meters.
But this clearly shows even that cannot be true or these scenes would look quite different.

Not going to happen.

Also possible! Would only make sense if the Peregrines are not capable of matching speed with the slowest of the cruisers, though. Which I think would be the aged Miranda-class?

Shuttles usually have a much lower maximum warp speed than capital ships, so if the Peregrines were not built for high speed delivery (possible, considering they were couriers) ...

And the Romulans likely will have fighters as well. >_<

You're right, it was 250/260, not 160! No idea where I pulled that other number from...

I'm going by what the FX guys said, though, for they would know it best at what kind of scale they put the ship in the shows. As for some of the pictures we'd probably have to take angle and alignment into consideration (for example, in the nacelle picture we only see the width of the Defiant, not its length) as well as the rather "stunted" design of the ship when compared to a more classic design such as the Akira.

The alternative is that they f...ed it up for some scenes, much in the same way (though for a noticably lesser extent) as with the Bird-of-Prey in TNG. -_-

It's either speed, or fuel.
They'd probably need their reserves during combat to power the weapons.


The length would only be signifficant if the Defiant were not 0.75 as wide as long.

You do realize they scaled the Miranda down to 150 meters for DS9 and they scaled the D5 on Enterprise to a stunning 155 meters...which would make it 15 meters longer than the Enterprise Raptor.
But then again the actual visible evidence shows the ship to be almost as long as the NX.
Would you go with 155 meters there as well?

I don't actually have a problem with that - both ships were new to the franchise. If anything this merely tells us that the Raptor at that time was very close to a cruiser as well. In fact, according to its MA article, Archer called it a "battlecruiser" in the episode Marauders.

We have to remember that the Raptor category in STO is different from the Raptor class in ENT, and that the Somraw-class Raptor is merely a visual homage to the IKS Somraw, explaining why it handles so differently (being an escort rather than a cruiser) in this game.

What visual evidence are you referring to?

It is also of note that we don't have an actual size reference for the NX-class. At least as far as I'm aware of, all numbers concerning that ship come from soft canon sources, and we know how "reliable" those are. That age-old problem of Trek fluff...

Same as with the scaling issues, really. What numbers should we refer to, if not the FX charts? Even when they did not adhere to them in every single instance it's the next best thing we have to consistency.

To help you folks out with the Akira-Defiant scaling issue, you might want to have a look at the Ex Astris Scientia article about the Defiant problems. The way that ship was scaled on screen varies wildly, though not as much as the BoP.

lol, feared as much

Thanks for the link though, that should probably clear it up - at least concerning the pictures posted.