Lt. Commander
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# 11
12-30-2010, 07:28 AM
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~InfoNinja
Lt. Commander
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# 12
12-30-2010, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiberry
Apparently the ending about a wooden computer wasn't enough to belay the jest. however, the seriors peice below stands.
WoW is not STO. STO is not WoW
STO isn't lacking tanks because all the Warriors are DPS and Pali's are heals.


What the OP either ignored or doesn't know is you don't have to pay Cryptic anything. Not a single penny. Not a strip of latinum. Not a solitary quatlu.
It's an option
You earn Merits by playing the game. The whole purpose for a game, playing it. These can be used for training Bridge Officers. Renaming Bridge Officers and ships. And, yes, even respecing your characters skills.
Cryptic is not milking anyone. Those who chose the option of buying a Captain retraining token do so if their own free will. Whether because they made a mistake and didn't have enough Merits to fix it right away, didn't know you can buy respecs with in game currency or are simply just impatient.

As for there being two games in one, yes! That's the whole point. What do you want to be?
Do you wish to be a captain that is proficient in space, helping assist or lead the charge of his/her fleet in a fight? But are more there for heal or fire support on the ground?
Do you wish to be a captain that is proficient on the ground, helping heal, support or lead his/her squad through danger? But are more there for heal or fire support in space?
Do you wish to be a captain who is good both in space and on ground, and can easily adapt your roll on the fly, but prefer to rely on others for help as much as they do you?

You want to be the best proficient captain in space, but suddenly a ground mission comes up and you want to be the most proficient captain on the ground. So.. you want a 'make magic happen' button like WoW...
I'm a DPS! NO! I'm a TANK! NO!! I'm a DP..TANKS!!
May as well just demand Cryptic add 24,000 more skill points so you can max out your career and captain training and forgo the respec button completey. Then everyone can be everyhting and no one can be proud of what they've chosen and how they've made it work since everyone will be the same on demand.

WTF are you a GM or something? I mean.. your points may be valid in your own little world.. but you are the MINORITY, get over it....
GUY, you should be able to CHOOSE what you want to do on the fly without serious consequences. This is a game and should be fun, stop assuming that once you make a descision at the birth of a toon you should stick with it foreva... that aside. Not one player I know has a ground focused spec... everyone is space focused.. making the ground talent virtually useless... not an option.. no one balances them.. they just dont use them, and if you say you do, rest assured you wont have a toon to be pround of as you would simply be under average in either ground or space combat...
Stop throwing your overly un-flexible opinion around this post... Truth is you are the MINORITY, and if cryptic wants to please the MAJORITY they will impliment it and reduce respec costs...
And finally obviously this isent WoW, but there is NOTHING wrong with taking a page from the MOST successful MMO of all time, and will probly hold that title for a LONG time...
So just stfu guy... you need to take a breath and look at things from multiple angles.. not just your narrow minded point of view... I have ALWAYS been happy with my specs, I rarely want/need a respec, doesent mean the option shouldent be there... in addition I do like being the best I can be at everything.. and with the current system im a mediocure ground player and it sucks that I will NEVER experience being great in ground combat... my choice it may be, but really, unless I want to start paying cash soon I get to live with it.
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# 13
12-30-2010, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by calibers View Post
wow your a ****ing idiot.... This isent RL, this isent college, this is a GAME and would be more fun to be in space with a space spec and hit the ground and change to a ground spec... there will always be consequences for your spec but it shouldent be a method to drink loyal customers dry nut sack..
Such a lovely bunch of people who are so quick to name call, and in such a poetic and polite manner at that. The same people who simply believe that Cryptic are out to bleed them dry.
Its already been said over and over again in this thread, and many others i might add. You don't need to pay real money for respecs, you can simply use the in-game currency that is obtained in-game (and no, not Cryptic Points, actual in-game currencies). Its an MMO. MMO's are all about investing time into a character. If you want immediate this and that, then MMO's really are not for you. I've used one respec so far, and likely i will adjust again at Admiral. That should leave me with five left, and even after those are all gone, i'll have plenty of Merits and the like to never consider using real money to chop and change my stats. Before venturing into respeccing, try a talent calculator. Use a little thought in what you want before clicking away and maybe there wouldn't be a need for these type of threads and your '****ing idiot' name calling jibes. There are better ways of going about addressing a reply, and yours clearly to Calibers wasn't one of them.
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# 14
12-30-2010, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Green117 View Post
Very well said indeed Chiberry and i couldn't agree with you more.

I find STO a very overwhelming game to understand at first. There is simply a lot to take in without it ever saying a lot. Yet the answers to most of your problems is out there, but as usual, just like the OP, we moan and assume to much and generally get the wrong end of the stick. STOwiki, STOked, even a little time alone with these forums and the information starts to show itself. Those were just a few sites that have really helped my gameplay and knowledge of a game that i adore and prefer to know as much as possible.
I find STO very deep in its nature, i like the fact that unlike Wow that i played for over 5 years, there is no true spec for your role. Of course there are always the best traits over others for certain situations, but its not a 51/5/17 or something along those lines. I was a Holy Paladin during this time and believe me, save for 3 or 4 points, to succeed in high level raids, the difference in spec layout was pretty much the same across the board. I understand for Cataclysm there has been a slight refinement to that model, yet the difference is not as great as i would still have liked.

When i began playing STO, i was pretty scared of doing anything wrong. I had a few thousand merits when i realised it cost 1500 just to rename a Boff, which made me think, 'get it right first time or you're going to have to pay out big in the long term'. Yet i am Captain 8 now, with nearly 30k Merits, and i've spent quite a great deal too on Boff Skills and the like. The more you read up on the game, the better it will be for you in the end. I've respec'd once, saving each and every one from leveling up for later on down the line, for that just in case moment. There is no excuse for really using these free respec's every time you level, because until you get to a certain point, the likelihood that these will have any kind of additional and positive reaction is slim at best.
But yet again we come across Cryptic as the greedy money makers that so many believe them to be. Its an MMO. MMO's requires investment, yet some, just like many games i am seeing on the Xbox, allow you to use real money for instant unlocks. Look at Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Split/Second as quick suggestions. You can buy and instantly unlock all weapons, upgrades, cars, modes, etc or you can simply put in the time and unlock them yourself. The option is catered for both. Understand that.
I appreciate your input, just wait though.. your a CPT8, when you get to the top, look at options, start squezing out every ounce of skill out of your toon you will see quickly that the option of never getting to respec again unless you pay will hit you harder and faster then you expected. If for anything just experimentation puproses.

If it were up to me instead of charging or making specs so 1 sided I would make it like Diablo 2, 1 spec, no going back, no respecs, do it right the first time... Thats a better option to me then charging real cash... seems so desperate to me... But if you will have the ability to change your spec at all you should be able to make a couple specs to accomidate your needs, be it ground or space
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# 15
12-30-2010, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Green117 View Post
Such a lovely bunch of people who are so quick to name call, and in such a poetic and polite manner at that. The same people who simply believe that Cryptic are out to bleed them dry.
Its already been said over and over again in this thread, and many others i might add. You don't need to pay real money for respecs, you can simply use the in-game currency that is obtained in-game (and no, not Cryptic Points, actual in-game currencies). Its an MMO. MMO's are all about investing time into a character. If you want immediate this and that, then MMO's really are not for you. I've used one respec so far, and likely i will adjust again at Admiral. That should leave me with five left, and even after those are all gone, i'll have plenty of Merits and the like to never consider using real money to chop and change my stats. Before venturing into respeccing, try a talent calculator. Use a little thought in what you want before clicking away and maybe there wouldn't be a need for these type of threads and your '****ing idiot' name calling jibes. There are better ways of going about addressing a reply, and yours clearly to Calibers wasn't one of them.
Im a soldier IRL, get over it, cursing is part of every sentence for me, listen to the messege not the ways its conveyed. When you kill people for a living you could give a **** about words..

lol and whats with all these people lower then VA or LG putting in there "two cents"? get to the end, be there a few months and then comment here..

I didnt respec once untill I was VA or LG for a few weeks then started changing things up
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# 16
12-30-2010, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiberry
You wouldn't decide to go to MIT for a degree in computer engineering and technology, and 3 years later when you graduate, cry a month later you don't like it and wished you were trained in carpentry and woodworking.
Want to learn carpentry and woodworking? Get ready for another term in University.
You're not getting those 3 years refunded, and there are no computers that I know of made of wood to combine being trained in both fields.

I would rather keep it where there is a cost/consequence to clicking [Accept].
Don't like your choice of training? You should have been more careful in your choices. Now it will cost you to change them. Either in play time earning Merits or if you're impatient and want it NOW NOW NOW, you can pay real money. The choice is yours. And you made one.

Want versatility? Make a new character and follow another path of career or training.
Dude your argument invalid, and asinine. This is a game NOT MIT.
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# 17
12-30-2010, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully View Post
I am very much a fan of the dual spec idea.

The game already forces us into respecs. You want to be good at flying your current ship? Well, these skill points devalue the moment you are switching to the next ship once you level up. Heck, if you have the idea of changing the ship class, suddenly all those skill points are uselessy spent even. There is a new ship on C-Store? You need a new skill! People that would like to try the new Gurumba Siege Destroyer are basically forced to respec, too. The skill for the Gurumba is only useful if you have that ship, if you don't, it's dead weight.

At the same time, the skill system forces us to choose between ground and space skills. This leads to many people specialisizing on one area - ground or space and avoiding content in the area they don't like - which can mean weekly episodes, storyline episodes, and warping out of exploration missions you don't care for. The choice between ground and space skills doesn't really care a fair trade-off.

Dual Spec can solve all these issues. You can spec for ground combat in one, space combat in the other. You can spec into two different ships. Use it however you like. There isn't even a need to rework the entire skill system (I would prefer if there were more ground skills and ground and space skills were kept seperate.)

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All that said; I wouldn't necessarily combine an argumentation about the necessity of dual spec with accusations of greed.
see... completely valid points.. but its like all these people just skim over these facts as if there not there simply to proove there point of view...
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# 18
12-30-2010, 08:08 AM
Here is another option.. scrap the current talent tree, create two trees (one for space and one for ground) both with a certain amount of points. That way people dont need to dodge one form of combat entirely, they are able to spec into both with consequences and benefits...
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# 19
12-30-2010, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by calibers View Post
Im a soldier IRL, get over it, cursing is part of every sentence for me, listen to the messege not the ways its conveyed. When you kill people for a living you could give a **** about words..
Then if it matters that little, i guess i'm over it. You sir, are clearly an idiot.

I actually feel a somewhat better for that too. Interesting. So, cursing is part of every sentence for you. The Oxford Dictionary must be wondering what it ever did wrong. And you kill people for a living? Nice job, i didn't realise that was what being a soldier was all about. You make our armed services very proud indeed.

And i did listen to your message, yet all i got was moaning about buying something that you DON'T have to buy. Play the game, invest some time in your character and that way you shouldn't have anything to ever worry about.

And going back to your other reply. It matters not what my current rank is. By using a Talent Calculator, i've already tested how things should look later on. Your better option of a one time only, no mistakes spec sounds terrible. Its going from one extreme to the other. Those who don't respec every five minutes and instead spend those five minutes assigning points on a Calculator seem to not have these problems. Its another minority crying out for change because they can't have it their way or the simple fact is they don't use the FREE resources available to them that are provided by the community.
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# 20
12-30-2010, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Green117 View Post
Then if it matters that little, i guess i'm over it. You sir, are clearly an idiot.

I actually feel a somewhat better for that too. Interesting. So, cursing is part of every sentence for you. The Oxford Dictionary must be wondering what it ever did wrong. And you kill people for a living? Nice job, i didn't realise that was what being a soldier was all about. You make our armed services very proud indeed.

And i did listen to your message, yet all i got was moaning about buying something that you DON'T have to buy. Play the game, invest some time in your character and that way you shouldn't have anything to ever worry about.

And going back to your other reply. It matters not what my current rank is. By using a Talent Calculator, i've already tested how things should look later on. Your better option of a one time only, no mistakes spec sounds terrible. Its going from one extreme to the other. Those who don't respec every five minutes and instead spend those five minutes assigning points on a Calculator seem to not have these problems. Its another minority crying out for change because they can't have it their way or the simple fact is they don't use the FREE resources available to them that are provided by the community.
Well said Green, Calibers, not sure how to respond to your posts except wow, pretty sad

Mustrum, I usually agree with your posts but not here, I have agree with Green. I think the way they have it is the way it should be, its all about choices. I am spec'd fully into space at VA and I have zero points put into ground yet I am able to complete all the STF's and missions in game, it might take me a few minutes longer on ground but thats the price one pays when spec'd that way. When the space part of the mission comes up well that time is made up because of how I spec'd into space. To me its a fair tradeoff considering more of the gameplay I enjoy is space.
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