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# 1 Nerf Klingon Alpha
01-07-2011, 03:47 PM
I love to pvp, but it is very discouraging as a Fed player. With no exageration at all I can say that the feds lose 4 out of the 5 battles i play. Either every klingon group is a premade or we have a serious balance issue.

I think the problem lies in the klingon ships incredibly high alpha. I am at RA level in a fully fitted sovereign with tanking skills and one BoP can tear through my tank in about 3-5 seconds. I have 47% resistance to disrupters....

This wouldnt be as bad as it sounds if the klingon's ability to tank were less than that of the feds but its not, in fact their tank is amazing. Even their so called "glass cannons" have a strong tank.

So, to be fair klingons do way too much up front damage. They can almost always destroy the first fed ship they fire on when they decloak putting us at a sever disadvantage.

You either have to lower their ability to do so much up front damage or you have to lower their survivability, they shouldnt have both.

Please fix this.
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# 2
01-07-2011, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Harddrive View Post
I love to pvp, but it is very discouraging as a Fed player. With no exageration at all I can say that the feds lose 4 out of the 5 battles i play. Either every klingon group is a premade or we have a serious balance issue.

I think the problem lies in the klingon ships incredibly high alpha. I am at RA level in a fully fitted sovereign with tanking skills and one BoP can tear through my tank in about 3-5 seconds. I have 47% resistance to disrupters....
Three things:

1. This again? Complaining about unstoppable alpha strikes is *sooo* Season 1, and it has already been massively nerfed.
2. Federation toons can alpha just as hard as Klinks can, and are even more likely to since hardly any Klinks fly a Raptor.
3. You're a tanky cruiser than gets killed in seconds by a single BoP??? Either stop exaggerating or L2P, seriously. Find a PvP fleet and do whatever they tell you.
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# 3
01-07-2011, 03:56 PM
Actually, i wasnt exagerating. It happened to me twice from BoP's they knocked out my shields and half way through my hull in 1 volley, the next obliterated me. Just how the heck is that a l2play issue? What could you have done in 2 seconds time to save your ship? I blew all my cooldowns and i still died.

troll more.
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# 4
01-07-2011, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
Three things:

1. This again? Complaining about unstoppable alpha strikes is *sooo* Season 1, and it has already been massively nerfed.
2. Federation toons can alpha just as hard as Klinks can, and are even more likely to since hardly any Klinks fly a Raptor.
3. You're a tanky cruiser than gets killed in seconds by a single BoP??? Either stop exaggerating or L2P, seriously. Find a PvP fleet and do whatever they tell you.
LoL. Number one is awesome. Srsly, good tanky cruisers don't have this problem. If you do, then ask for help, don't ask for a nerf -_-.
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# 5
01-07-2011, 04:06 PM
Man this is silly already. OP a couple questions if you will... answer and I'll give yous some pvp advice.

1) How many PvP games have you played?

2) at what level did you start doing pvp?

3) what ship are you flying?

4) what captain type are you using?
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# 6
01-07-2011, 04:38 PM
I have pretty good survivability as a Tac/Fleet Escort, and I never had problem as a Tac/Cruiser in the past, so I'm not sure, OP, why you are having problems if you know how to play. If you even just skim the PvP forums you will find a ton of useful info to improve your game. I recommend you do just that before starting yet another"Klinks r OP" thread (which this pretty much is). The problem Feds have in PvP is many nedd to L2P and learn to play as a team, i.e. work together.

Edit: If you truly enjoy PvP, a good way to L2P for PvP is to level a toon with only PvP.
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# 7
01-07-2011, 04:49 PM
To the OP.. COntact me anytime and i'll be willing to spar with you and possibly give you pointers in how to improve your build etc.

I'm in no way uber but perhaps i can help.
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# 8
01-07-2011, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dekkameron View Post
To the OP.. COntact me anytime and i'll be willing to spar with you and possibly give you pointers in how to improve your build etc.

I'm in no way uber but perhaps i can help.
That is one of the coolest posts I have seen. No arrogance or disdain just a willingness to help.

I applaud you sir.

As for the OP, I would take Dekkamerons advice and help. I dont want to seem to come down on you but there are ways to survive BoP alpha attacks with a cruiser. Do you us any kinds or Armour? Do you use things like emergency power to shields? What kind of shields are you using? Whats your build? What BO powers are you using?

There is a fairly big difference between what works in PvE and what works in PvP. Try to be patient and ask for help. There are many like Dekkameron that are willing to help if you need it.
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# 9
01-07-2011, 05:04 PM
i agree with everything above, yes all of it.
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# 10 Grow Up!
01-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Such hostility to someone's honest experience! It is a wonder anyone posts.

"L2P" is the constant retort. I have scoured the forums for months, adapted, and improved, but at the end of the day as a PUG pvper, it is a lost cause. No one teams or communicates, or even tries to meet the objectives, no one heals or realizes they need to heal each other and coordinate.

Leveling a player only through pvp is one suggestion, but it is no way to encourage the larger STO community to try and learn PVP. "Join a fleet" is another option, but not everyone wants to do this. I suspect that most players are solo for most of there time till endgame in STO. There should be multiple ways to enter the pvp area of the game. A robust PVP environment needs lots of players who are challenged but not demoralized after a few tries.

Why not allow players to not just join the queue but to be matched to players with similar experience by the queue? Other pvp games do this, it can't be that hard.

I realize that leveling a toon on pvp only would do this, but the larger STO community is never going to do this. People get to the endgame, there is nothing else to do, so they try pvp, HATE it and swear they will never venture there again.

If Pvpers want attention and development from the STO team, they need to find ways to attract and include players who want to try PVP, and encourage the larger community to participate and be ivnested in the PVP aspect of STO.

Hostility, blaming the victim, and scapegoating are the easy way to respond to these people and a surefire way to poison any chance PVP has to grow into its potential. GROW UP!
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