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# 21
01-23-2011, 02:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firepup79
Hmm not being funny, but there is a lot of assumption as to what I have and haven't done. Some of it I actualy think insults my intelligence. If it was so simple as asking questions then I wouldn't have raised the issues in the first place. Granted you are going over the obvious.

But I am still left with the same problem. I did all that and asked questions. With about 4 fleets. Seemed ok, said what I hoped to achieve etc an then never heard again or saw them online.....

It has put me off fleets now somewhat so I think it will take a bit of time before I want to even begin looking again. Feel like I am wasting my time.

I'd welcome suggestions and I'd have a think about it but ultimately, I am left with the same issues. I go back to my points above.
my apologies being presumptuous but well spend enough time lurking the internet and you will realize people dont always do the obvious. thus i went with its better to say it than not and leave you in the dark.

im quite surprised you havent tried tatical fleet operations delta (i think thats the name) that guy is in gamma almost nonstop running newbies and advertising his fleet. and from what i can tell he and his fleet are quite active. but yea as others have said

get to know people find friends. talk in gamma just talk waste a couple hours chatting. build up your repitoire *think thats the right sp* of ingame friends. then ask em about thier fleets. my friends list is choc full of people. they ask me for help. i help. i ask them for help they help. dont know what else to say..

pop in gamma and ask see if "fireflyyy, dkev, cat09,Deus-Ex-Machina,519of519,SkyCadet," are willing to help you out. they know what to do.

im sorry if i put attention on you guys but i gotta reccomend people who know what they are doing.
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# 22
01-23-2011, 02:25 AM
No worries,

I will look forward to some help and hopfully join a fleet where I can have a bit more fun. Im just a bit wary at the moment as I have had all the spin before and with most fleets its invite only...

I have done the searches time zones etc. but your talking endless lists of who's who and nothing that tells me how good they are..

Maybe then another thing to point out is maybe a rating system? How good fleets are etc?

I hate to compare games...but with WoW I dont have a problem...thats my fustration...

Thanks for the help and advice. Got a few things to do, so if I see them online I will give a shout out or you can mail me and I will respond.

I dont do voice though guys! happy to do everything else, but I just really dont like it. Please respect that. LLAP
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# 23
01-23-2011, 02:29 AM
Anyone looking to do any STF Fed or Klink, Pax Infinitus is recruiting and has a tight core group of avid STF runners. If you want to get borg tech and can follow direction, send me @Umrathama or one of my fleet a message. We have a TS3 server and all you need to do is listen (don't have to have a mic).

Now if anyone wants to complain about not getting a bloody group together you just have not tried hard enough. This game nor anyone playing it will just hand you stuff for complaining.

Seriously, I am tired of seeing STF related threads in these forums about some difficulty in completing STF due to groups falling apart or some other lame reason. having the right gear and just one experienced player, and the ability to follow direction is all you need.
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# 24
01-23-2011, 02:43 AM
I may have mis interpreted that last comment, but that really troubles me somewhat.

people have a right to complain where it matters, it's not about getting free items had you read my thread.

We might as well say, we should have a class system going too!! Or keep the less than intelligent people away from the nice shiney things! It sounds like Elitism. I don't like it..I want to help other players get the same things if they too find it difficult and isnt that what it should be all about?

It might be also why some people are put off by the agressiveness of some fleets also too.
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# 25
01-23-2011, 02:52 AM
Like I said, nobody is necessarily happy about the situation but it could be months before Cryptic does anything about this and you have no idea what their "fixes" will be. Better the devil you know...
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# 26
01-23-2011, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Firepup79
I may have mis interpreted that last comment, but that really troubles me somewhat.

people have a right to complain where it matters, it's not about getting free items had you read my thread.

We might as well say, we should have a class system going too!! Or keep the less than intelligent people away from the nice shiney things! It sounds like Elitism. I don't like it..I want to help other players get the same things if they too find it difficult and isnt that what it should be all about?

It might be also why some people are put off by the agressiveness of some fleets also too.
Well unfourtunatly it does not matter, and most people just want the items. So they complain over and over on the fourms. Then the devs look into the STF's and end up breaking something that did not need fixing in the first place, (like the end of Infected were the last re-spawn location is now missing).

Class system, less intelligent people, Some players just don't get it, Would you allow a bull in a china shop. It is hardly Elitism, more common sense. Helping someone is fine (per purpose to my post) misinterpreted you did, however as I mentioned some players just don't get it. Only if anyone finds it difficult to listen, follow directions, and pay attention.

Aggressive, this is why they fail, you can't do an STF passively. BTW, Pax is mainly an RP fleet, yet we do STF's all the time regardless of this fact, and now it tends to dominate the fleet most times. So if you are anyone wants to stay passive, there is the RP for you.

Would you like to comment further?
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# 27
01-23-2011, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Umrathama View Post
Well unfourtunatly it does not matter, and most people just want the items. So they complain over and over on the fourms. Then the devs look into the STF's and end up breaking something that did not need fixing in the first place, (like the end of Infected were the last re-spawn location is now missing).

Class system, less intelligent people, Some players just don't get it, Would you allow a bull in a china shop. It is hardly Elitism, more common sense. Helping someone is fine (per purpose to my post) misinterpreted you did, however as I mentioned some players just don't get it. Only if anyone finds it difficult to listen, follow directions, and pay attention.

Aggressive, this is why they fail, you can't do an STF passively. BTW, Pax is mainly an RP fleet, yet we do STF's all the time regardless of this fact, and now it tends to dominate the fleet most times. So if you are anyone wants to stay passive, there is the RP for you.

Would you like to comment further?
Who said anything about being passive? Changing game play and so on? I never said any of that (again if you had read the thread)

This is the attitude that really puts me off, as I think all you are going to do if I join, is brerate me because I am new to the world of STO, not the fact that I am quite experienced with MMOs ie WoW.

Actually I don't think I did misinterpret, because you have in effect said that people who play the game are stupid if they don't get it. I quote "Some players just don't get it, Would you allow a bull in a china shop. It is hardly Elitism, more common sense."

The point then should be to help players understand what they are doing wrong if they ask for it and take time to train them, not just to dismiss everyone in an instant if they are new to STF's, they are a whole new ball game I gather.

So rather than passing people off as not worthy, maybe the bull in the china shop situation should be taking the bull by the horns and tackling the problem instead of isolating people, where they don't know any better.
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# 28
01-23-2011, 04:14 AM
Could always try what I did, being in the UK and in a moribund fleet, and try pugging the STFs and watching closely who knows what they're doing, who communicates with others and also seeing who just charges ahead, no thought to strategy/tactics and who brings the wrong gear. When the group breaks up, add the competent players to friends list. Talk to them, jokes about the numpties, what could/should have gone better.

Eventually (maybe a couple of weeks) you'll end up with a friends list of people who can complete a run without taking 5 to 6 hours over it. There are a few threads on this and other forums with lists of appropriate gear for the various STFs. Try to be the guy that has the right kits, the right guns and all the consumables and those players that are also looking for decent players to run with will take notice. You might even get a fleet invite out of it.

Worst examples I've seen are science officers who go the entire run with a medic kit on and don't throw a single heal. Tactical officers that throw random grenades or summon Security Escort into a room with 3 groups and aggroing them all. Engineers that use drones/phaser turrets with no concept of what they might shoot, or worse who use no special abilities at all making them effectively dead weight.

Be the one who clearly knows what they're doing and you'll find you get noticed.
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# 29
01-23-2011, 04:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyGreggy
Could always try what I did, being in the UK and in a moribund fleet, and try pugging the STFs and watching closely who knows what they're doing, who communicates with others and also seeing who just charges ahead, no thought to strategy/tactics and who brings the wrong gear. When the group breaks up, add the competent players to friends list. Talk to them, jokes about the numpties, what could/should have gone better.

Eventually (maybe a couple of weeks) you'll end up with a friends list of people who can complete a run without taking 5 to 6 hours over it. There are a few threads on this and other forums with lists of appropriate gear for the various STFs. Try to be the guy that has the right kits, the right guns and all the consumables and those players that are also looking for decent players to run with will take notice. You might even get a fleet invite out of it.

Worst examples I've seen are science officers who go the entire run with a medic kit on and don't throw a single heal. Tactical officers that throw random grenades or summon Security Escort into a room with 3 groups and aggroing them all. Engineers that use drones/phaser turrets with no concept of what they might shoot, or worse who use no special abilities at all making them effectively dead weight.

Be the one who clearly knows what they're doing and you'll find you get noticed.
Yea I am totally with all that and ready and waiting.....but back to the problem I cant even do the mission because I need 5 people to play it..Got the kit, got the guns, got the hypos..but not go the team of fleet.

the way I see it is like this:

1. Join a fleet - lol have you seen how many fleets there are??? by the time I have asked and judged each one the borg set will be given in tutorials and it will be something else better and improved!
Also how do you know who is and who isnt a good fleet? Most are invite only and non welcoming to people new to the STF missions - so they need time in development and coaching - Maybe the complaints would ease if someone actually helped these people to get the stuff in the first place? Seems like a vicious cycle to me..

2. Failing that you try and make a team on the hop by shouting out...again not the best, you all do your bit if your lucky and as a mate of mine said when he did it, they all said thanks great game and vanished....its seems anyway its all about self self... so back to square one looking for players..

3. My sugesstion...keep everything the same, difficulty gameplay rewards...but a button where astrometrics is to auto Q for players, through no fault of their own, cant get in a fab team or fleet and then let them work together (LEARN) and let them become better players for themselves...

nothing is dumbed down then, less complaints and moaners and then you dont have to help anyone in your fleets and you can get back to thinking about whatever.

Then the people who do these for the first time have a better understanding of STOs and maybe all those at the top moaning about the people genuinely struggling might see less of that and more better players to game with..

That sounds to me like common sense...
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# 30
01-23-2011, 04:45 AM
Anyway made my point and my motorcycle needs a bit of love today so I am going to leave my points with you all and hopefully something good can come out of it...Made my points, I will let you all digest on it...and its doing my head in going over the same points....

LLAP people
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