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# 21
02-18-2011, 12:21 PM
This is something I have wanted for a long time now. I do feel we need more (like 20) sashes with the ability to change colors and customized House logos. As for rank I would like TOS and modern rank pips and pins. The only ones that I see different would be General and Government sashes. A special sash for our new ambassadors instead of a uniform perhaps?
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# 22
02-20-2011, 07:06 AM
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While I would live with the above solution, I do have a problem with this idea that sash = rank. It clearly doesn't in canon and that's annoying.
Well, it is a bit annoying when they won't even consider giving the LTG's a seperate sash, and customizing your own sash hasn't even been m illed around by any of the devs...or at least that I have heard....
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# 23
02-21-2011, 05:37 AM
If I can recall, the Devs said "No way, Josť" to changing sashes cause they liked the way they worked. I do think it was canon for Klingon captains to wear a sash to denote rank in TOS even though it was never mentioned. I only recall captains wearing them.

I stand by the opinion that they need to be changed. We have a few species in the KDF and not all will be in a House and not all the species look good in the sash. Rank pins are a must along with the ability to customize the sash.
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# 24
02-21-2011, 05:58 AM
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If I can recall, the Devs said "No way, Josť" to changing sashes cause they liked the way they worked. I do think it was canon for Klingon captains to wear a sash to denote rank in TOS even though it was never mentioned. I only recall captains wearing them.

I stand by the opinion that they need to be changed. We have a few species in the KDF and not all will be in a House and not all the species look good in the sash. Rank pins are a must along with the ability to customize the sash.
Nope, Koloth did not wear it so it's not connected.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...%282268%29.jpg

So your idea of some kind of other display of rank, like those small symbols on Koloth's uniforms, is not that far from canon...
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# 25
02-21-2011, 06:55 AM
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Nope, Koloth did not wear it so it's not connected.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...%282268%29.jpg

So your idea of some kind of other display of rank, like those small symbols on Koloth's uniforms, is not that far from canon...
That's a very good point...but I still only recall captains wearing them, although my TOS is a little bit rusty . But yes, some kind of pin that could be displayed on the sash, collar or maybe even the arm for our more naked KDF supporters.
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# 26
02-21-2011, 07:13 AM
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That's a very good point...but I still only recall captains wearing them, although my TOS is a little bit rusty . But yes, some kind of pin that could be displayed on the sash, collar or maybe even the arm for our more naked KDF supporters.
Some wore them, some like Kruge didn't.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...7/74/Kruge.jpg

Gowron did only wear it sometimes, but not always
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7SVSAcj5xz...ap-2592405.png

We also saw lower-ranking folks like Lt Klaag wear them.
http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media...ag/320x240.jpg

Rank pips with different shapes were at least seen in "Day of the Dove" where different personell of Kang's ship had different insgnia in their uniform:

http://www.comics101.com/comics101//...3/Kang2268.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Mark_Tobin.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...te_Kellett.jpg

The two round metal thingy on the collar of a modern-day Klingon uniform seem to have a similar function but a search on the internet only reveals that some fans created their own personal system of emblems, even though they certainly look impressive.

https://d44ytnim3cfy5.cloudfront.net...jpg?1278658532

http://www.starbase24.co.uk/pageimages/hpimage42.jpg

But it seems to be pure fanfiction and therfore of little practical use, only inspiration.
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# 27
02-21-2011, 10:09 AM
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If I can recall, the Devs said "No way, Josť" to changing sashes cause they liked the way they worked. I do think it was canon for Klingon captains to wear a sash to denote rank in TOS even though it was never mentioned. I only recall captains wearing them.

I stand by the opinion that they need to be changed. We have a few species in the KDF and not all will be in a House and not all the species look good in the sash. Rank pins are a must along with the ability to customize the sash.
Sashes are not canon for rank. In fact, Worf wore one all the time, except when he was he acted as first officer on the IKS Rotarran. Actually there are times when even Martok (the Captain of the ship) on the Rotarran did not wear his sash.

Sashes are a sign of house affiliation not rank.
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# 28
02-21-2011, 01:02 PM
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Sashes are not canon for rank. In fact, Worf wore one all the time, except when he was he acted as first officer on the IKS Rotarran. Actually there are times when even Martok (the Captain of the ship) on the Rotarran did not wear his sash.

Sashes are a sign of house affiliation not rank.
I only mentioned that for TOS. My comment was I only saw captains wear them in TOS, not all captains, not that anyone else couldn't wear them, just that in TOS I never saw anyone but a captain wear them. The only true House affiliation I know of in TOS canon are the pins on their sash. As for rank pins, there are at least two canon rank pins in TOS.

If you need proof go to Memory Alpha and look for yourself...to save you time I will quote it for you. "By the 2260s, Klingon uniforms were made of a gold-colored, metallic substances. Commanding officers would wear sashes across their left shoulder."

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It was observation from watching the shows and getting data from Memory Alpha.
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# 29
02-21-2011, 01:11 PM
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I only mentioned that for TOS. My comment was I only saw captains wear them in TOS, not all captains, not that anyone else couldn't wear them, just that in TOS I never saw anyone but a captain wear them. The only true House affiliation I know of in TOS canon are the pins on their sash. As for rank pins, there are at least two canon rank pins in TOS.

If you need proof go to Memory Alpha and look for yourself...to save you time I will quote it for you. "By the 2260s, Klingon uniforms were made of a gold-colored, metallic substances. Commanding officers would wear sashes across their left shoulder."

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. It was observation from watching the shows and getting data from Memory Alpha.

If you click on the "sash" in that link you posted it takes you to a page about sashes and has this to say about Klingon Sashes.

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Klingon baldric Edit

A Klingon baldric
The Klingon baldric was a sash that traditionally went over the left or right shoulder of noble Klingons. It contained the symbol of a Klingon House. (TOS: "Errand of Mercy")
Some baldrics were used to hold knives or daggers. (ENT: "Broken Bow")
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# 30
02-21-2011, 01:16 PM
Interestingly enough there are plenty of examples where the Commander of a ship did not wear a sash and a subordinate did. Kruge and Maltz. Kruge wa the Captain of the ship and Maltz was a subordinate. Then there is Kargan and Klag. Kargan was the Captain and Klag was the second officer.
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