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I've played a lot of space pvp as both Klingon and Federation characters. It seem to me that all things being equal, same number of players from both fractions and roughly the same skill levels on both sides that the Klingons have a advantage and are much more likely to win in space pvp.
First question I have is this true? Do Klingons really have an advantage in space pvp or I'm I totally wrong about this?
Second question, If this is indeed true that Klingons have a advantage in space pvp what exactly is the advantage that they have?
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# 2
01-26-2011, 01:53 PM
I won't answer this because balance topics are sensitive enough already, talking entire faction balance is a good way to get alot of flames.

Hence my post, to warn you that at best you will receive conflicting answers and at worst much fire and brimstone etc.

There are as many answers to your question as there are opinions....
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# 3
01-26-2011, 02:02 PM
I think the main issue is that Klingons have a lot more tools in their toolbox.

So any given Federation group, even a skilled one, has to be prepared to counter a pretty wide variety of group makeups. Is it a carrier group, is it a cloaking alpha strike group, is a heavy tanking group?

When a Klingon group encounters a skilled Fed group.. there is not much mystery about how they will play. Almost every Fed group will have the same "Makeup" -- especially if it is a "Good" group who will show teamwork and such.


So, I think thats where the KDF has the edge, they pretty much know what they'll be facing.


Now, I don't think they should be nerfing KDF, or even giving us all of their skills. But I do think they could give the Feds some unique "tools" of their own.
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# 4
01-26-2011, 02:06 PM
Someone get my fishing rod. this person opened up a can of worms.
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# 5
01-26-2011, 02:31 PM
Find me a pure klingon player who believes they have the advantage in space pvp.

Find me a pure federation player who believes klingons dont have an advantage in space pvp.

You wont.
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# 6
01-26-2011, 02:51 PM
Yes, they do. The advantage is they do it much more often than Feds in general. More practice = better results.
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# 7
01-26-2011, 02:53 PM
Do Klingons characters have an intrinsic gameplay advantage in PvP?
No.

Do Klngon players have an advantage due to PvP being their means of primary leveling?
yes.
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# 8
01-26-2011, 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by toddof76 View Post
I've played a lot of space pvp as both Klingon and Federation characters. It seem to me that all things being equal, same number of players from both fractions and roughly the same skill levels on both sides that the Klingons have a advantage and are much more likely to win in space pvp.
First question I have is this true? Do Klingons really have an advantage in space pvp or I'm I totally wrong about this?
Second question, If this is indeed true that Klingons have a advantage in space pvp what exactly is the advantage that they have?
Klingon Cloaking: Gives Klingons the advantage to pick when and where to attack. Can easily use lures to counter Defiant and Galaxy-X cloaking.

DHCs: Klingons have 3 shiptypes that is able to use this: BoPs, Raptors, and Battlecruisers. DHCs gives 2x the damage over arrays and such Battlecruisers from the Front are very formidable over Federation Cruisers.

The BoP: The Most versitile ship in STO that can be a pure escort, a mini cruiser, or a science ship. In capable hands, it's a major threat to Federation players.

Fighters: 3 Klingon ships have this capability, while the closest Federation players got is Photonic Fleet. The Vo'Quv can spawn BoPs and Fighters, the Kar'Fi can carry Frigates that drop Tricobalt Mines and Suicide Fighters, and the Orion Cruiser has Fighters that can disable your engines.


Experience: Klingon players have more general PvP experience over Federation players.
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# 9
01-26-2011, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
Do Klingons characters have an intrinsic gameplay advantage in PvP?
No.
Still disagree with this - Klingons have more "abilities" due to specialized ships, which makes them more versatile and harder to counter.

Feds DO have counters for those specialized things, but the fact is Feds do NOT have their own "special" things that the Klingons have to counter.

Its not a HUGE advantage, but when combined with their experience levels due to leveling, its definitely having an affect.

When my FvK queue pops on my KDF guy, going in I am pretty sure we can win, unless we happen to run into a really good Fed team. Even then, we know how the Feds will play.

The opposite is true when on a Fed char. I have no confidence that my group will win, nor do I have any sort of clue what sort of ships the KDF will have, so it might be a cloaking group who will alpha-strike us, or it might be a carrier group that we'll have to find some way to break down.

Do you not think that the KDF have more "special" abilities and thus more group combinations, Darren? What other type of Fed group might you run into, aside from "Cruisers and healers" with the occasional escort mixed in?
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# 10
01-26-2011, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by toddof76 View Post
I've played a lot of space pvp as both Klingon and Federation characters. It seem to me that all things being equal, same number of players from both fractions and roughly the same skill levels on both sides that the Klingons have a advantage and are much more likely to win in space pvp.
First question I have is this true? Do Klingons really have an advantage in space pvp or I'm I totally wrong about this?
Second question, If this is indeed true that Klingons have a advantage in space pvp what exactly is the advantage that they have?
I've been doing this a long time. I'm not advantaged, I'm seasoned and experienced.
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