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# 11
01-27-2011, 09:49 PM
i totally agree that star trek out techs star wars, or at least it usually does

but consider this: you are taking 2 different universes and applying the terms of ONE universe to the OTHER (star trek ye-old lasers to star wars modern lasers)

consider that in star wars, most lasers are actually plasma arrays that fire wads of molten plasma at sub-light speeds (just watch any star wars movie) and not actual lasers, although the death star did and id like to see the enterprise take a hit from that heh.

what one universe calls a laser and another are clearly two very different things in my opinion, star wars uses the term for most anything flashy whereas star trek uses it as a clinical term.

some star wars weapons are down right nasty/****ed up like the death stars, galaxy gun, sun crusher, star forge, or the world destroyers would give the federation a run for their money

sun crusher and galaxy gun moreso than the others, followed by the star forge, death stars, and world destroyers in that order.

edit: also while basic trek weapons outclass basic star wars weapons, basic star wars propulsion FAR FAR outclasses star trek propulsion

to cross the galaxy we are talking centuries for the federation at least in the tv series, and days/2 weeks at most(?) for the empire
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# 12
01-27-2011, 10:08 PM
^^^ This.

Star Wars doesn't have lasers.

Star Wars has blasters.

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# 13
01-27-2011, 10:11 PM
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Egads.... I'm not even sure a Chief/Cortana/Jhonson/Janeway/Picard/Sisko/Kirk/Raynor/Tychus alliance of good guys could prevent the end of the human race under those conditions...

I say fire the Halo array and be done with it, everyones gonna die anyways might as well ensure that the next life-cycle of the galaxy is infestive evil villain free.
So sad, yet so true. But my god that would be a hell of a last stand. Unless, of course, the Borg managed to Assimilate Arrays 1-7, and Installation 00 aka Waypoint (or Arc). Worse yet would be the Flood or Zerg finding the Shield Worlds and bringing a Forerunner fleet infested like coming to punk the Borg.

I think the Zerg would be immune to Assimilation, I know they had like godmode immune systems and their super-virus can corrupt, like, anything.

Also horrifying is the thought of an assimilated infested Kerrigan. All would be over as we know it.
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# 14
01-27-2011, 10:12 PM
necrons > all, even the Q

the necrons are the dead brought back to serve the dark shade god of eternal blackest night (if you google it)

the slain are thrown into the necro abyss, where they become living metal, necrons are extremely hard to take out of combat, as they regenerate actively via nano tech. they can not be killed, the most you can hope for is to knock them all out and run while they regenerate.


the only thing keeping the necrons in check is they are not in a rush, they awake and pacifiy the world they are on every 10 millenia, there are necrons on every world, only thing keeping life going is they are out of synch on passification purges due to poor intercommunication, perhaps the dark god wishes to cause suffering like this rather then to purge all life at once, or perhaps hes just not paying attention atm!
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# 15
01-27-2011, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pavement0
i totally agree that star trek out techs star wars, or at least it usually does

but consider this: you are taking 2 different universes and applying the terms of ONE universe to the OTHER (star trek ye-old lasers to star wars modern lasers)

consider that in star wars, most lasers are actually plasma arrays that fire wads of molten plasma at sub-light speeds (just watch any star wars movie) and not actual lasers, although the death star did and id like to see the enterprise take a hit from that heh.

what one universe calls a laser and another are clearly two very different things in my opinion, star wars uses the term for most anything flashy whereas star trek uses it as a clinical term.

some star wars weapons are down right nasty/****ed up like the death stars, galaxy gun, sun crusher, star forge, or the world destroyers would give the federation a run for their money

sun crusher and galaxy gun moreso than the others, followed by the star forge, death stars, and world destroyers in that order.

edit: also while basic trek weapons outclass basic star wars weapons, basic star wars propulsion FAR FAR outclasses star trek propulsion

to cross the galaxy we are talking centuries for the federation at least in the tv series, and days/2 weeks at most(?) for the empire
star trek also has wormhole weapons that swallow worlds, sun exploding torpedos, and various bio weapons that would make a Q blush at how deadly they are, but such things are banned by the roddenberry, only mentioned, never allowed to be actively widely deployed

where as the lucas revels in letting death stars pwn alderons
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# 16
01-27-2011, 10:23 PM
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an even better champ for that fight: Tyranids (also Warhammer and also directly responsible for the inspiration of the zerg)

these are essentially zerg that fight on a MUCH, MUCH MUCH MUUUUCH larger scale. (at the end of the first trailer, the woman who says "this planet is theirs" is pointing to the sky and a tryranid swarm that was blocking out the sun)

they use bioships like speices 4872 and are on the same level of tech, only their armies, are literally the size of the milky way galaxy and possibly much much larger, as they travel in a locus like swarm the end of which has never really been witnessed.

also, theres like 4 of these swarms slowly encroaching on the milky way from all sides.

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k...incursions.jpg

yeah, those weird tentlacles are actually armies...armies who's size rivals a ****ing galaxy

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_exqyvOBAvp...d_the_line.jpg

and like the borg, they have a penance for adapting and integrating new biological data to be used as "bio tech"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxz1GH-3pYQ
^---the little ship flying besides the big ships at the end btw, about the size of the enterprise ><

tyranids: ****ing up your **** since 1980s
hmmm how do i put this


the zerg wish they were tyrannids, the only rellevant way to relate them, would be to say the hive mind of the zerg, was a low grade tyranid, with offshoot pets

every tyranid possesses high intelligence, and undying loyalty to its hive, the more disposable first wave troopers might be on the lower end of smarts but even they are crafty in the ways of dodgeing attacks and killing with every swipe of their claws as they crush the life off of every world the hive attacks.

and the bigger tyranids are redic, they come in all shapes and forms from psychics assaulters that can drive millions mad, to great devourers that can swallow tanks whole.

the zerg are an annoying fire ant hill at a picnic, the tyrannids are the end of the universe
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# 17
01-27-2011, 11:38 PM
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Enterprise-E vs Super Star Destroyer:

Enterprise-E wins hands down.
Even by TNG standards lasers were extremely old tech, and if an SSD can be brought low by a crashing A-Wing to the right spot how much worse would 10 quantums right through the reactor core be?

Consider too that Star Wars ships likely use much weaker shields.
Phaser > Laser, and lasers could eventually take down a SW ships shields.
So phasers > > > SW shields.

Enterprise-E Vs USAF Daedalus (Stargate):

Enterprise-E, but only because of better offense.
It looks like Stargate ships' shields are more inline with Trek, but E obviously outmatches any heretofore seen Earth ship in terms of raw punch.

Enterprise-E Vs Asgard prototype Warship:

Enterprise-E by small margin only.
Asgard ships seem much more offensively equipped but come on....
E as seen in Nemesis has more phaser emitters and torpedo tubes than I could count....
Shes going to take a beating, but still win.

I'd have to disagree about the Asgard prototype vs Enterprise E for one reason: The Ori. The Enterprise E might be on par with an Ori ship if their shields hold, and that's a big if. The Asgard weapons ripped through the Ori shields like tissue paper. Keep in mind before then, nobody had managed to even dent the Ori shields. Anything less then a loss against the asgard would mean an E curbstomp against any other ship in the Stargate verse except maybe a Wraith Hive Ship powered by ZPMs.
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# 18
01-27-2011, 11:44 PM
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5 Borg vs 1 Dalek

IMO: Dalek, i mean seriously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0
The Dalek would be able to take out maybe two or three of the Borg, perhaps four - but after that, the Borg would have adapted to the Dalek weapon. One of the biggest weaknesses of the Daleks was the total lack of imagination, apart from the Cult of Skaro, so the Dalek would just keep shooting away until it was eventually assimilated.

Of course, if the nanotubes can't get through the armour of the Dalek shell, it'd be a stalemate.
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# 19
01-28-2011, 12:25 AM
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The Dalek would be able to take out maybe two or three of the Borg, perhaps four - but after that, the Borg would have adapted to the Dalek weapon. One of the biggest weaknesses of the Daleks was the total lack of imagination, apart from the Cult of Skaro, so the Dalek would just keep shooting away until it was eventually assimilated.

Of course, if the nanotubes can't get through the armour of the Dalek shell, it'd be a stalemate.
You forget that Daleks are just as adaptable as Borg. OK it took them 26 years to overcome stairs, but now they're bigger and badder and more colourful than ever, they only had that lack of imagination because they were reliant on battle computers. As soon as they get rid of them they're laughing
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# 20
01-28-2011, 01:05 AM
Then again, the daleks only rejected the Cybermen alliance because the Cybermen were obviously much weaker. Don't both the borg and the Daleks seek perfection?
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