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# 161
04-10-2011, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
You my Friend, are a Wonder of Wonders.
Unfortunately I have little ideas of my own when it comes to vessel design and usually just brain storm with others. Though I have been thinking of a "Blade of Kahless" class vessel that would fit into the Battle Cruiser class or possibly a Raptor refit.
Many months ago, when there were only the K't'inga and it's rather unattractive refit and no D7 skin, I assumed the D7 would become either a T1 or T2 ship.
So my idea back then was a different K't'inga skin.
It was based in a line from the "Starship Spotter" that the K't'inga was no longer in production by the time of the Dominion War, but in service.
My thought was that the K't'inga would leave a gap in the KDF ship roster since there would be no "light cruiser" to replace it.
Of course we have the Raptors but in their case it's more like they are heavy destroyers and not so much light cruisers.
So my idea was that the 3rd K't'inga skin could be a new design, a more modern ship that took over for lost K't'ingas and that the Klingons would step up prodiction of this new ship in times of war.
It's essentially to the K't'inga what the Excalibur is to the Constitution, a new prodiction vessel that has similar in-combat stats but would probably be somewhat different out of combat.
As a newer ship it would probably be more maintenance-friendly and have a more efficient propulsion system, longer operational range etc.
However those details would not be reflected in-game so it would be identical to the K't'inga as far as STO is concerned.

It's clearly a ship of the late 24th century as far as aestetics are concerned and would be a bit larger than the K'tinga but I think it should be clearly visible that it's an heir to the K't'inga even though it has some characteristics of the Vor'cha.
It does have the familiar K't'inga-stle monstrous three-deck torpedo launchers fore and aft but it has the forward one where the Vor'cha would have its main disruptor cannon.
This was my attempt to show the new ship is a blend of two completely different generations of ships.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8...erproposau.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9...erproposam.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1...erproposag.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9...serproposa.jpg

Maybe this is at least remotely like what you're looking for.
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Posts: 120
# 162
04-10-2011, 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_dee
Many months ago, when there were only the K't'inga and it's rather unattractive refit and no D7 skin, I assumed the D7 would become either a T1 or T2 ship.
So my idea back then was a different K't'inga skin.
It was based in a line from the "Starship Spotter" that the K't'inga was no longer in production by the time of the Dominion War, but in service.
My thought was that the K't'inga would leave a gap in the KDF ship roster since there would be no "light cruiser" to replace it.
Of course we have the Raptors but in their case it's more like they are heavy destroyers and not so much light cruisers.
So my idea was that the 3rd K't'inga skin could be a new design, a more modern ship that took over for lost K't'ingas and that the Klingons would step up prodiction of this new ship in times of war.
It's essentially to the K't'inga what the Excalibur is to the Constitution, a new prodiction vessel that has similar in-combat stats but would probably be somewhat different out of combat.
As a newer ship it would probably be more maintenance-friendly and have a more efficient propulsion system, longer operational range etc.
However those details would not be reflected in-game so it would be identical to the K't'inga as far as STO is concerned.

It's clearly a ship of the late 24th century as far as aestetics are concerned and would be a bit larger than the K'tinga but I think it should be clearly visible that it's an heir to the K't'inga even though it has some characteristics of the Vor'cha.
It does have the familiar K't'inga-stle monstrous three-deck torpedo launchers fore and aft but it has the forward one where the Vor'cha would have its main disruptor cannon.
This was my attempt to show the new ship is a blend of two completely different generations of ships.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8...erproposau.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9...erproposam.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1...erproposag.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9...serproposa.jpg

Maybe this is at least remotely like what you're looking for.
Wow I love that!!!!!
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Posts: 120
# 163
04-11-2011, 05:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_dee

It's clearly a ship of the late 24th century as far as aestetics are concerned and would be a bit larger than the K'tinga but I think it should be clearly visible that it's an heir to the K't'inga even though it has some characteristics of the Vor'cha.
It does have the familiar K't'inga-stle monstrous three-deck torpedo launchers fore and aft but it has the forward one where the Vor'cha would have its main disruptor cannon.
This was my attempt to show the new ship is a blend of two completely different generations of ships.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8...erproposau.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9...erproposam.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1...erproposag.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9...serproposa.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9...serproposa.jpg

Maybe this is at least remotely like what you're looking for.
I like it!
Deffinately has those KDF lines to it that one expects.
DId you come up with any stats for it?
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# 164
04-11-2011, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post

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Unfortunately I have little ideas of my own when it comes to vessel design and usually just brain storm with others. Though I have been thinking of a "Blade of Kahless" class vessel that would fit into the Battle Cruiser class or possibly a Raptor refit.
I'm about done with the last of the science ships ... I'll try to get cracking on this one afterwards.

(note to self: hmmm .. need to find the time to log into the game in there somewhere as well !)

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# 165
04-11-2011, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by OlBuzzard
I'm about done with the last of the science ships ... I'll try to get cracking on this one afterwards.

(note to self: hmmm .. need to find the time to log into the game in there somewhere as well !)

Well don't ruin you gameplay time working on these ideas only. Log in, have some fun and enjoy STO.
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# 166
04-11-2011, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
Well don't ruin you gameplay time working on these ideas only. Log in, have some fun and enjoy STO.
are you kidding .. IF this works and we get the attention of the DEV team .. THAT, my friend is more fun than you could possibly imagine !

I'm looking forward to the challenge !
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# 167
04-11-2011, 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OlBuzzard
are you kidding .. IF this works and we get the attention of the DEV team .. THAT, my friend is more fun than you could possibly imagine !

I'm looking forward to the challenge !
Merely did not wish to see you (or anyone else) get burned out.
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# 168
04-11-2011, 09:54 AM
Like the design Dee,That's what i'm talkin about! Just remember O buzzard keep it mean lookin'with the bit too match!!!
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# 169
04-11-2011, 12:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrekTheStars
Wow I love that!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roach View Post
I like it!
Deffinately has those KDF lines to it that one expects.
DId you come up with any stats for it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by certo View Post
Like the design Dee,That's what i'm talkin about!
Thanks guys.
TBH, I never thought about stats since it was just a K't'inga reskin.

Since it has that familiar torpedo tube it would be a candidate for some kind of torp skill.
Maybe the Heavy Photons we talked about.
But otherwise I'm a bit at a loss at the moment.

If it were a seperate ship, maybe an escort cruiser.
It could also be a Raptor with LtC Engineering which would make it a cruiserish escort.

It could be just another skin, maybe if they left the D7 skin out of a possible T5 K't'inga and used this one instead.
We know Cryptic could do that, look at the skins for the T5 Galaxy and at those for the T5 retrofit.
But I know it would wound those who'd want to use the original D7 skin at T5...
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# 170
04-13-2011, 11:04 AM
I've been thinking about the stats thing a little bit.
And I've got idea regarding my K't'inga replacement design:

If the K't'inga retrofit became a cruiser Raptor hybrid with Commander Engy and LtC Tac,
why not make the ship I posted one of the "missing" Raptor versions and reverse that arrangement?
Give it Commander Tac and LtC Engy.
This would also reflect a certain evolution in smaller Klingon ships further and further towards a purely Tactical focus, as is indicated in the "Raptor Revealed" article:

http://www.warcry.com/news/view/8984...aptor-Revealed

Based on this, that K't'inga replacement design would predate the Raptor, parhaps it would be a design created during the Dominion War dased on lessons learned there but introduced into service afterwards.
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