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# 1 Akira Tier 5
02-03-2011, 09:55 PM
Yes, yet another one of these threads!

So many ships are going into tier 5 lately. But still no Akira.
Heck, many of them don't belong in Tier 5. Excelsior? That's freakin' laughable and actually impacts my enjoyment of the game. Every time I see one I frown and am sad.


Anyways... Akira is a viable Tier 5 not only from the game's perspective but also from a lore perspective. It's one of the few ships that's actually tiered lower than it should be (while many are tiered too high).

So... give it to us! :O
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# 2
02-03-2011, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by USS Parallax
Tier 5. Excelsior? That's freakin' laughable and actually impacts my enjoyment of the game. Every time I see one I frown and am sad.
So, you laugh at other people and you want others to support you?
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# 3
02-03-2011, 09:58 PM
I'd be happy with them switching the Excelsior Lt Cmdr Slot with a Lt slot and throw that Lt Cmdr slot on the Assault Cruiser or the Dreadnought.
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# 4
02-03-2011, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OttoVonCat View Post
So, you laugh at other people and you want others to support you?
I "laugh" at the excelsior, a 100+ year old ship with dated technology that somehow is up with the big guns still. Retrofits can only go so far. At this point it's like a biplane being retrofitted into a jet.

And anyways the word "laughable" doesn't always literally mean "to laugh". It can mean just "ludicrous" too. So really, I'm never actually laughing. I just find it... ludicrous that such a ship is in Tier 5.
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# 5
02-03-2011, 10:26 PM
Damnit excelsior haters.

The Excelsior is one of my absolute favorite ships in the entire Star Trek Franchise. When I first saw it when I first watched Search For Spock I fell in love. A ship so new and so beautiful and it kicks so much ass. Then im Undiscovered Country when it was actually shown in action with SULU as the captain no less. the love grew.
For over 100 years the excelsior has been known as the "Backbone" of the United Federation Of Planets, Age means nothing to this fine ship. Who cares what century it is in as long as it has the right to kick ass. This thing has proved itself time and time again that it can last as long as it damn well please with as much upgrades or powers whatsoever.

So I am asking you. Please do not nerf the Excelsior in favor of the ships that came after it.
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# 6
02-03-2011, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by USS Parallax
Yes, yet another one of these threads!

So many ships are going into tier 5 lately. But still no Akira.
Heck, many of them don't belong in Tier 5. Excelsior? That's freakin' laughable and actually impacts my enjoyment of the game. Every time I see one I frown and am sad.


Anyways... Akira is a viable Tier 5 not only from the game's perspective but also from a lore perspective. It's one of the few ships that's actually tiered lower than it should be (while many are tiered too high).

So... give it to us! :O
I have often wondered why more special vessels are not availible through the ranks, slightly modified in strength accordingly



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# 7
02-03-2011, 10:49 PM
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I have often wondered why more special vessels are not availible through the ranks, slightly modified in strength accordingly
Part of it is probably conceptual.

There's only so much you can do within Cryptic's establish framework for ships, even at Tier 5. It's tough to do anything else within that.

You can add special powers, substituting them for a standard feature, but ultimately that's going to mean F/X work, so it's not something that can just be tossed in. And of course those special abilities have to be conceptualized themselves, and balanced, and QA'ed.
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# 8
02-03-2011, 11:18 PM
You know, the Excelsior is the one ship that canon has shown can be made much stronger than originally designed. The USS Lakota, an aging Excelsior class, was updated and upgraded by Starfleet to the point that it fought the Defiant to a standstill - even when the USS Defiant had ablative armor that Sisko had 'forgotten' to mention to Starfleet, making it stronger than a standard ship of that class (granted, at that point it was the only one in service, but later vessels just weren't up to spec)

Really, by 2409 every single Excelsior from TNG era or before has to have been retired, making these Excelsiors newer ships, with very little in common (on the inside) from the original ships. (In lore) There has to be a reason all those Admirals picked the Excelsior class for their personal vessels.

Anyway, yes, the Akira should be made tier 5, and no, I don't think you should worry so much about older hulls being in game. Just look at the explanation behind the NX - its the same shape and size, that's it. All new tech in an old hard candy shell.

If you don't want to fly one Don't. Easy as that. There is no need to force everyone to share your idea of what should and shouldn't be in game. If we got rid of everything anyone wanted gone - there would be nothing left.
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# 9
02-03-2011, 11:35 PM
Boy lots of people want the Akira being upgraded. :p


IMHO, if Cryptic gives her a Tier 5 refit, I would like to see her more along the lines of a Tactical Cruiser like she supposed to be cannonically. More Cruiser than Escort, but less tanky than the Excelsior-R.

Perhaps like:

(1) LTC Tactical Stations
(1) LT Tactical Stations
(1) LTC Engineering
(1) LT Engineering

(1) LT Science

4 Fore / 3 Aft
Turn Rate = 13
Special Ability = Photon Torpedo Barrage (Torpedo Spread 3).
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# 10
02-03-2011, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Boy lots of people want the Akira being upgraded. :p


IMHO, if Cryptic gives her a Tier 5 refit, I would like to see her more along the lines of a Tactical Cruiser like she supposed to be cannonically. More Cruiser than Escort, but less tanky than the Excelsior-R.

Perhaps like:

(1) LTC Tactical Stations
(1) LT Tactical Stations
(1) LTC Engineering
(1) LT Engineering

(1) LT Science

4 Fore / 3 Aft
Turn Rate = 13
Special Ability = Photon Torpedo Barrage (Torpedo Spread 3).
you know. I like that right there. It sounds awesome. I would use it.
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