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# 11
02-16-2011, 02:27 PM
Sorry! =)

It's just game mechanics, builds, support and experience coming into play.

95% of the people I come across can't punch through the shields of my heal boat running full Borg set (including shield) while I have EmptS 3 or RSF up and my balance is macro'd into my fire all Phasers button. If things get hairy on occasion, I'll pop TSS 1 (with EmptS 3) or my other EmptS 1 alongside RSF. Go go shield cap'd Cruiser with buff and Borg shield regens! (This is all of course without a GOOD [keyword] Science on me which makes things interesting...)

Of course for a real Premade Arena match you'll likely find my Covariant 3's on to mitigate those oh so lovely spike damages TSI and SOB like to throw at me =)
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# 12
02-18-2011, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chaddy18 View Post
Why is it near enough impossible to drop some peoples shields now but yet mine go down easily with buffs and full power
Maybe you shoot a cruiser who has at least 3 borg stuff on him. the regeneration buff is really OP for cruisers, to gether with the hullheal proc if used with standard heals.

Its no magic or special skilled player. Borg set helps cruisers, and procs are so offten, that they got instant regen and hullheal from 0% to 100%.
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# 13
02-18-2011, 05:01 AM
i'm hoping some enlightened soul can help me figure out this:

A Fleet escort.

2 Tac officers in escorts attacking it.
Tractoring the fleet escort, so no movement resistance.
Both ships unleashing full alphastikes at it.

Result:
For the entire duration of the alphastrikes, and the first 10 seconds after the tractor beam ends, we were unable to bring a single shield facing below 90%! Hull did not take any damage at all!

No other ships in range for heals. We see shield abilities like TSS, EPtoS and Borg Shields, but NO RSP.

Should this really be possible? I'm used to unprepared cruisers insta-popping under said alphastrike from my escort alone! How can this escort survive on the few heals at it's disposal? I don't think even my sciship could have survived this, and that is running full aux and 70 shields+EPtoS. (The damage dealt out from these two escorts is usually almost enough to melt a unsupported sciship on bleedthrough, so i don't think the damage dealt is at fault.)

So how is this done?
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# 14
02-18-2011, 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dassem_Ultor
i'm hoping some enlightened soul can help me figure out this:

A Fleet escort.

2 Tac officers in escorts attacking it.
Tractoring the fleet escort, so no movement resistance.
Both ships unleashing full alphastikes at it.

Result:
For the entire duration of the alphastrikes, and the first 10 seconds after the tractor beam ends, we were unable to bring a single shield facing below 90%! Hull did not take any damage at all!

No other ships in range for heals. We see shield abilities like TSS, EPtoS and Borg Shields, but NO RSP.

Should this really be possible? I'm used to unprepared cruisers insta-popping under said alphastrike from my escort alone! How can this escort survive on the few heals at it's disposal? I don't think even my sciship could have survived this, and that is running full aux and 70 shields+EPtoS. (The damage dealt out from these two escorts is usually almost enough to melt a unsupported sciship on bleedthrough, so i don't think the damage dealt is at fault.)

So how is this done?
EPtS 2 + TSS 2 is around a 45%ish resist, I think? Add in the Borg Regen procs, and it could be why.
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# 15
02-18-2011, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
EPtS 2 + TSS 2 is around a 45%ish resist, I think? Add in the Borg Regen procs, and it could be why.
Not to mention the guy could have been using Aegis set, with its defence and stacking resistance proc's
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# 16
02-18-2011, 08:42 AM
I explained it in my post.

With a decent shield power setting and two shield resist buffs, you can effectively cut incomming damage by a large factor. With EmptS 3 and TSS 1, my Cruiser is cap'd at 75% shield resist (with a resting 32-40% hull resist depending on console usage) which means you're doing a quarter of your normal damage to my shields.

Now then, with such strong resists running, if your damage cannot overcome the combined standard regen of the Borg shields and TSS1/RSF/Borg Shield Heal (with all of it being funneled into one facing, effectively quadrupling the healing on said facing) you're not going to break through.

I'm betting you took on an Engineer in a Fleet Escort with this setup / tactic. The best way to kill him would be to coordinate spike damage with debuffs. Most Escorts I flight CAN do decent damage, but their alpha strikes leave much to be desired and against good players they never get anywhere...
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# 17
02-18-2011, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexraptor View Post
Not to mention the guy could have been using Aegis set, with its defence and stacking resistance proc's
AEGIS wouldn't be a direct (key word) factor in shields anyway. Yes the bonus defense would help the target by not getting hit as much or not getting crit'd as often, but other than that Aegis does nothing for shields.

I forget if the buff is still mislabeled or not, but the stacking resists apply only to the hull, not the shields.
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# 18
02-18-2011, 08:53 AM
I didn't bother to read all the posts on this thread, so I dunno if this simple suggestion was already made:

Try using Transfer Shield Strength in a concerted effort with Emergency Power to Shields. Any level of both will work fine.

Use both skills together, and I wonder if you'll notice a boost in your shield's durability.

All best,
GC
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# 19
02-18-2011, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by InertiaCreeps
I didn't bother to read all the posts on this thread, so I dunno if this simple suggestion was already made:

Try using Transfer Shield Strength in a concerted effort with Emergency Power to Shields. Any level of both will work fine.

Use both skills together, and I wonder if you'll notice a boost in your shield's durability.

All best,
GC
Yeah...and that's why you should read. The OP is asking how it's possible for some ships to have 'impossible to penetrate' shields, which we've already explained as being a combination of stacking resists, regen and balancing/distributing shield facings.
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# 20
02-18-2011, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Alexraptor View Post
Not to mention the guy could have been using Aegis set, with its defence and stacking resistance proc's
seeing as he got borg kit procs, i doubt he was ALSO using AEGIS...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
EPtS 2 + TSS 2 is around a 45%ish resist, I think? Add in the Borg Regen procs, and it could be why.
You don't get it... I'm talking about 2 escorts easily dishing out 100k damage each in a few seconds, while running heavy resist debuffs. even with 75% resist, 50k damage would be applied to shields, yet we did not see the shields go down beyond one facing dropping to 90%. TSS would account for maximum 5k, EPtoS for maximum 2k, and the borg proc about 4 i think, barely making a 10k shield heal.

We have seen this from this particular escort many times, sometimes having 2, sometimes 3 escorts shooting at it. The reason i'm pulling the example with 2 escorts is that he was tractored and dead in the water, so movement buffs can be discounted.

(I know the resists of TSS and EPtoS. Even my sci ship with high rank TSS and full AUX is nowhere near as resistant.)
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