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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 71
02-22-2011, 05:57 AM
*mutters about cruisers having bonus to engine power...*

Edit: well now that those pesky cruiser warp cores have been accounted for...

Mark 1 engines sorted by impulse modifier

Mk 1
Com____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___1___Miranda
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___1___TOS Connie
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___2___Nova
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___2___Constitution
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___3___Olympic
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___3___Nebula
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___3___Excelsior
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___3___Stargazer
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___4___Intrepid
8.30____7.80____7.40______0.15___4___Galaxy
8.90____8.80____8.80______0.17___1___NX
9.20____9.30____9.50______0.18___0___Type-8
9.80___10.31___10.82______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
9.80___10.31___10.81______0.20___0___Runabout
9.80___10.31___10.82______0.20___2___Saber
9.80___10.31___10.81______0.20___3___Akira
9.80___10.31___10.81______0.20___4___Defiant


I have data written down for all the other marks up to 8 but not typed out in notepad yet...
My replacement mobo is coming in the mail so I probably won't get around to typing them all up soon.

... and me being bored waiting for mobo I've gotten on my sister's computer and went ahead and typed in a few more here... I'll copy them from my post later...

Mk 2
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___1___Miranda
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___1___TOS Connie
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___2___Nova
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___2___Constitution
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Olympic
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Nebula
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Excelsior
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Stargazer
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___4___Intrepid
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___4___Galaxy
_9.30____9.20____9.20______0.17___1___NX
_9.60____9.70____9.80______0.18___0___Type-8
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___0___Runabout
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___2___Saber
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___3___Akira
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___4___Defiant


Mk 8
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___1___Miranda
11.00___10.50___10.115_____0.15___1___TOS Connie
11.00___10.50___10.115_____0.15___2___Nova
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___2___Constitution
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___3___Olympic
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___3___Nebula
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___3___Excelsior
11.00___10.50___10.115_____0.15___3___Stargazer
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___4___Intrepid
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___4___Galaxy
11.60___11.50___11.47______0.17___1___NX
11.90___12.00___12.14______0.18___0___Type-8
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
12.50___12.99___13.49______0.20___0___Runabout
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___2___Saber
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___3___Akira
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___4___Defiant



Interesting note from looking this stuff over... the difference between the same engine type on a different ship seems to be about the imod of the engine type per 0.02 difference in impulse mod of the ship..

Which would explain why hypers on higher impulse ships pass up combats...


<-- is apparently really bored... Got my mobo... waiting on it to warm up before installing... *sigh* this mobo's not working :/

Anyone wanna kick around an idea?


BEng + (EMk x 0.4) + ((Imod x Emod) x 50)

BEng - A base number used when calculating engine speed, Combat ~ 3.3, Impulse ~ -0.2, Hyper ~ -3.2.
EMk - The mark of the engine.
Imod - The impulse modifier of the ship.
Emod - The engine type modifier.
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# 72
02-24-2011, 08:49 AM
Mk 1
Com____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier___Ship
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___1____Miranda
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___1____TOS Connie
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___2____Nova
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___2____Constitution
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___3____Olympic
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___3____Nebula
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___3____Excelsior
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___3____Stargazer
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___4____Intrepid
_8.30____7.80____7.40_____0.15___4____Galaxy
_8.90____8.80____8.80_____0.17___1____NX
_9.20____9.30____9.50_____0.18___0____Type-8
_9.80___10.31___10.82_____0.20___0____Cap Yacht
_9.80___10.31___10.81_____0.20___0____Runabout
_9.80___10.31___10.82_____0.20___2____Saber
_9.80___10.31___10.81_____0.20___3____Akira
_9.80___10.31___10.81_____0.20___4____Defiant

Mk 2
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___1___Miranda
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___1___TOS Connie
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___2___Nova
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___2___Constitution
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Olympic
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Nebula
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Excelsior
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___3___Stargazer
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___4___Intrepid
_8.70____8.20____7.80______0.15___4___Galaxy
_9.30____9.20____9.20______0.17___1___NX
_9.60____9.70____9.80______0.18___0___Type-8
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___0___Runabout
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___2___Saber
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___3___Akira
10.20___10.70___11.20______0.20___4___Defiant

Mk 3
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___1___Miranda
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___1___TOS Connie
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___2___Nova
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___2___Constitution
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___3___Olympic
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___3___Nebula
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___3___Excelsior
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___3___Stargazer
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___4___Intrepid
_9.10____8.60____8.20______0.15___4___Galaxy
_9.70____9.60____9.50______0.17___1___NX
_9.98___10.08___10.60______0.18___0___Type-8
10.58___11.08___11.58______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
10.58___11.08___11.58______0.20___0___Runabout
10.58___11.08___11.58______0.20___2___Saber
10.58___11.08___11.58______0.20___3___Akira
10.58___11.08___11.58______0.20___4___Defiant

Mk 4
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___1___Miranda
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___1___TOS Connie
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___2___Nova
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___2___Constitution
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___3___Olympic
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___3___Nebula
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___3___Excelsior
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___3___Stargazer
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___4___Intrepid
_9.50____9.00____8.60______0.15___4___Galaxy
10.08____9.98____9.90______0.17___1___NX
10.37___10.45___10.60______0.18___0___Type-8
10.97___11.47___11.96______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
10.97___11.47___11.96______0.20___0___Runabout
10.98___11.47___11.96______0.20___2___Saber
10.97___11.47___11.96______0.20___3___Akira
10.97___11.47___11.96______0.20___4___Defiant

Mk 5
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___1___Miranda
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___1___TOS Connie
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___2___Nova
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___2___Constitution
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___3___Olympic
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___3___Nebula
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___3___Excelsior
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___3___Stargazer
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___4___Intrepid
_9.80____9.30____9.00______0.15___4___Galaxy
10.45___10.35___10.32______0.17___1___NX
10.75___10.85___11.00______0.18___0___Type-8
11.35___11.85___12.35______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
11.35___11.84___12.34______0.20___0___Runabout
11.35___11.85___12.35______0.20___2___Saber
11.35___11.85___12.35______0.20___3___Akira
11.35___11.85___12.35______0.20___4___Defiant

Mk 6
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___1___Miranda
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___1___TOS Connie
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___2___Nova
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___2___Constitution
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___3___Olympic
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___3___Nebula
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___3___Excelsior
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___3___Stargazer
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___4___Intrepid
10.25____9.70____9.30______0.15___4___Galaxy
10.83___10.73___10.70______0.17___1___NX
11.13___11.23___11.38______0.18___0___Type-8
11.73___12.23___12.73______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
11.73___12.23___12.73______0.20___0___Runabout
11.73___12.23___12.73______0.20___2___Saber
11.73___12.23___12.73______0.20___3___Akira
11.73___12.23___12.73______0.20___4___Defiant


Mk 7
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___1___Miranda
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___1___TOS Connie
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___2___Nova
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___2___Constitution
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___3___Olympic
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___3___Nebula
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___3___Excelsior
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___3___Stargazer
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___4___Intrepid
10.62___10.11____9.70______0.15___4___Galaxy
11.21___11.11___11.08______0.17___1___NX
11.51___11.61___11.76______0.18___0___Type-8
12.11___12.61___13.11______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
12.11___12.61___13.11______0.20___0___Runabout
12.12___12.61___13.11______0.20___2___Saber
12.11___12.61___13.11______0.20___3___Akira
12.12___12.61___13.11______0.20___4___Defiant

Mk 8
Com_____Imp_____Hyp_____Imod__Tier__Ship
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___1___Miranda
11.00___10.50___10.115_____0.15___1___TOS Connie
11.00___10.50___10.115_____0.15___2___Nova
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___2___Constitution
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___3___Olympic
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___3___Nebula
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___3___Excelsior
11.00___10.50___10.115_____0.15___3___Stargazer
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___4___Intrepid
11.00___10.50___10.125_____0.15___4___Galaxy
11.60___11.50___11.47______0.17___1___NX
11.90___12.00___12.14______0.18___0___Type-8
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___0___Cap Yacht
12.50___12.99___13.49______0.20___0___Runabout
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___2___Saber
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___3___Akira
12.50___13.00___13.50______0.20___4___Defiant
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# 73
03-07-2011, 08:53 PM
I've gone and used the 'movement display' I found in the ship status menu and went ahead and calculated the tooltip values for the engines per impulse modifier.

My previous try at a formula seems a little off, perhaps it's just rounding errors or I've got it wrong but the numbers have changed a bit...

Quote:
BEng + (EMk x 0.38) + ((Imod x Emod) x 50)

BEng - A base number used when calculating engine speed, Combat ~ 3.45, Impulse ~ -1.05, Hyper ~ -3.05.
EMk - The mark of the engine.
Imod - The impulse modifier of the ship.
Emod - The engine type modifier.

Mk 1
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15____8.31____7.81____7.435
0.17____8.91____8.81____8.785
0.18____9.21____9.31____9.460
0.20____9.81___10.31___10.810

Mk 2
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15____8.69____8.19____7.815
0.17____9.29____9.19____9.165
0.18____9.59____9.69____9.840
0.20___10.19___10.69___11.190

Mk 3
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15____9.07____8.57____8.195
0.17____9.67____9.57____9.545
0.18____9.97___10.07___10.220
0.20___10.57___11.07___11.570

Mk 4
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15____9.45____8.95____8.575
0.17___10.05____9.95____9.925
0.18___10.35___10.45___10.600
0.20___10.95___11.45___11.950

Mk 5
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15____9.84____9.34____8.965
0.17___10.44___10.34___10.315
0.18___10.74___10.84___10.990
0.20___11.34___11.84___12.340

Mk 6
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15___10.22____9.72____9.345
0.17___10.82___10.72___10.695
0.18___11.12___11.22___11.370
0.20___11.72___12.22___12.720

Mk 7
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15___10.60___10.10____9.725
0.17___11.20___11.10___11.075
0.18___11.50___11.60___11.750
0.20___12.10___12.60___13.100


Mk 8
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15___10.98___10.48___10.105
0.17___11.58___11.48___11.455
0.18___11.88___11.98___12.130
0.20___12.48___12.98___13.480

Mk 9
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15___11.37___10.87___10.495
0.17___11.97___11.87___11.845
0.18___12.27___12.37___12.520
0.20___12.87___13.37___13.870

Mk 10
Imod___Com____Imp_____Hyp
0.15___11.75___11.25___10.875
0.17___12.35___12.25___12.225
0.18___12.65___12.75___12.900
0.20___13.25___13.75___14.250

Efficiency Points

Imod 0.15 - Cruisers and Most Science
Impulse passes up Combat at 58 Engine power, while Hyper passes up combat at 57 engine power.

Imod 0.17 - DSSV and NX
Impulse passes up combat at 52 engine power, while Hyper passes up combat at 52 engine power.

Imod 0.18 - Type-8
Impulse passes up combat at 49 engine power, while Hyper passes up combat at 48 engine power.

Imod 0.20 - Escorts
Impulse passes up combat at 44 engine power, while Hyper passes up combat at 44 engine power.

At all points where Impulse and Hyper pass Combat at the same power level Hyper is still faster, so regular Impulse engines will never have the highest speed.
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# 74
03-10-2012, 02:17 PM
So, may I infer the bottom line conclusion of all of this lengthy analysis being that combat engines are, essentially, obsolete (and that cryptic made a bad design here that requires 'fixing') ?

Seems the only way to trigger their effectiveness would be to handicap one-self by either:
Not leveling up.
Not using superb high-end gear (because those usually give +engine power).
Not putting points in the engine power captain skill.
Not powering engines beyond the minimum 25 points.


All things considered, it seems that the only case scenario whereas combat engines come to use is at the very beginning of one's journey, when his ship is still very basic (and weak) and has no bonuses to speak of so that engine power may very well be in the bracket that triggers combat engine's benefits.

Since after a certain threshhold, unless you want the points that go to engine power captain skill used elsewhere (alongside the points that usually go for warp core efficiency and potential skills, as well), there's no way to limit/keep your engine power below 40-45.

And, between having low engine power (and performance) just to be able to use combat engines to simply having high one and using hyper-impulse engines instead...I think I'll go with the latter? It gives the most bonuses, afterall (at least for escort...even cruisers probably).



I guess that, for combat to become viable and to have a more 'balanced' system of purpose/designated engines, it need to have a requirement of 50 or less power requirement, and hyper would need a 70 or higher one, with regular impulse engines covering the middle ground.

Shrug.

Either that, or have them both retooled to not have any bearing on their affect by engine power, instead one provides more turn rate but less speed, the other more impulse/full impulse and the neutral one tries to capture a balance of best of both worlds (jack of all trades, master of none).
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# 75
03-10-2012, 03:09 PM
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