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# 11
02-23-2011, 04:35 PM
Must be something with the 400 series and 500 series NVidia driver interaction with the newer cards as my GTX260 does fine with shadows on High. Hope they get it fixed though as I mplan to upgrade my desktop soo, and want to go with the latest NVidia at that time.

As for ATI - didn't care for them in the days you were LUCKY to see ONE updated driver release for your card before the next series came out. They are a biit better at releasing driver updates, but overall, I see more compatability issues across a spectrum of games with ATI then I do with NVidia. YMMV.
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# 12
02-23-2011, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Armsman View Post
Must be something with the 400 series and 500 series NVidia driver interaction with the newer cards as my GTX260 does fine with shadows on High. Hope they get it fixed though as I mplan to upgrade my desktop soo, and want to go with the latest NVidia at that time.

As for ATI - didn't care for them in the days you were LUCKY to see ONE updated driver release for your card before the next series came out. They are a biit better at releasing driver updates, but overall, I see more compatability issues across a spectrum of games with ATI then I do with NVidia. YMMV.
This. The GTX 285 on my main system does fine. I've been thinking about updating my video card also, but I've been holding off on it.
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# 13
02-23-2011, 04:55 PM
Keep your cards coming guys, you are influencing me with every post I read.

Im also wanting to play Civilization 5 too. Dont own it yet.
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# 14
02-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Also no problems with my GTX 285.
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# 15
02-23-2011, 05:39 PM
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Keep your cards coming guys, you are influencing me with every post I read.

Im also wanting to play Civilization 5 too. Dont own it yet.
Okay I've had a GTX 260 and now a GTX 570. BOTH have stuttering issues (but extremely high framerate) with shadows turned on in STO. I think the people with 260's saying it's "smooth as butter" simply haven't experienced "smooth as butter" to know what it looks like LOL.

As far as Civilization V goes... it runs like a DREAM on this 570... I'm actually in the middle of a game now.
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# 16
02-23-2011, 05:44 PM
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Okay I've had a GTX 260 and now a GTX 570. BOTH have stuttering issues (but extremely high framerate) with shadows turned on in STO. I think the people with 260's saying it's "smooth as butter" simply haven't experienced "smooth as butter" to know what it looks like LOL.

As far as Civilization V goes... it runs like a DREAM on this 570... I'm actually in the middle of a game now.
I have. I can spot the difference between 20 fps and 60 fps. The performance drop on my Geforce 460 GTX is terrible. It dips to 10 FPS, despite having 45+ at other times.
  • My 260 GTX 1.8 GB card w/ overclocking was fine with shadows on high. 45-55 fps.
  • My 460 GTX 1.0 GB card has to have shadows turned to "low" to be playable. Without reducing it to "low", I get drops in frame-rate down to 10-12 fps. That's borderline unplayable.
I don't know if it's a driver maturity issue (both ATI and Nvidia tend to implement DX11 in different, non-standard ways) or if it's an issue with STO itself.

I do know, however, that I get amazing FPS performance in DX11 titles like Metro 2033, which are far, far more intensive than STO, in terms of lighting model.

My Workaround:
Turn shadows to "low" and you can max every other setting on 1.0 GB 460 GTX.
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# 17
02-23-2011, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
I have.

My 260 GTX 1.8 GB card w/ overclocking was fine with shadows on high. 45-55 fps.
Okay my old 260 and my new 570 would NOT do that no matter what I tried... what driver set? What's the difference here? I'm running an AMD Phenom II X6 1055 with 4GB RAM so the rest of my system isn't the issue.
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# 18
02-23-2011, 05:51 PM
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Okay my old 260 and my new 570 would NOT do that no matter what I tried... what driver set? What's the difference here? I'm running an AMD Phenom II X6 1055 with 4GB RAM so the rest of my system isn't the issue.
My Geforce 260 was something I've used since July till just two weeks ago. I updated my drivers to the latest Geforce Drivers as soon as news came out of a new one during the time I used my Geforce Card (even using various beta drivers at points).

Most recently, using Driver Version 266.58:
  • 260 = Great w/ shadows on High (45-55 fps)
  • 460 = Crap w/ shadows on High (45 fps w/ stuttering drops down to a mere 10 FPS)

My 460 shouldn't be having as large a performance hit. Despite having less RAM than my 260, it had faster graphics, memory, and processor settings while on stock. It also has greater bandwidth than my 260 GTX. It shouldn't matter, yet STO prefers my 260 card only when shadows are turned to high.
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# 19
02-23-2011, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghostdancer1979 View Post
Okay I've had a GTX 260 and now a GTX 570. BOTH have stuttering issues (but extremely high framerate) with shadows turned on in STO. I think the people with 260's saying it's "smooth as butter" simply haven't experienced "smooth as butter" to know what it looks like LOL.

As far as Civilization V goes... it runs like a DREAM on this 570... I'm actually in the middle of a game now.
Ugh. That helped, but then it didnt. Im buying a new card NOW, because I want full power graphics for STO NOW. But if I lowball it, and get a 200 series, Im sacrificing games like Civ 5 on my todo list.
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# 20
02-23-2011, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor
My Workaround:
Turn shadows to "low" and you can max every other setting on 1.0 GB 460 GTX.
That's what I'm doing but I REALLY want to get my shadows working right. The solution IS out there if OLDER cards handle it fine.
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