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# 1 Wrath of Khan uniform errors
02-28-2011, 07:57 PM
There are three primary inconsistencies I find with the current Wrath of Khan uniform. If the excuse for this is that Cryptic has no licensing, that is untrue since it is clearly in the game now with no copyright lawsuits.

These three inconsistencies are simple tailoring issues involving the pants and shirt.

1.) Uniform coloration: Now I know they are meant to change colors, but there is one particular I want to mention.
In most of the Original Series case movies, we find that the undershirt generally matches the strap on the side keeping the shirt closed. There are some cases that cannot be ignored that show a particular inconsistency of color between the two, most notably in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country where Lieutenant Valeris had a grey strap and a red undershirt. Red probably means officer in training, and grey must mean full position. In the case of Lieutenant Saavik however, she has both red. There is a logical explanation to this (lol, vulcans and logic): Valeris was training to be Spock's successor and Saavik was training to become a captain. Saavik was on a training crew, while Valeris was on a legitimate crew with Kirk in command. She obviously requires an actual position in order to have that strap. The undershirt must be apprenticeship.

2.) Pants design: This one is simple. Very simple in fact. Just two minor points in this major one. The pants are supposed to go over the boot a bit like the cutoffs and not be totally tucked in like our current military BDUs. Remember that it was somewhat conforming to the "funky" fashion of the time period. They were meant to look like they weren't all the way tucked in. In short, take the cutoffs, and put the stripe on the sides. Also, there are skirts of a similar style. Uhura wore one. It was simply a skirt with the strip on the sides.

3.) Ranks: This one's pretty obvious. The rank is unchangeable. But the system is kinda complex. The strap has the rank and the wrist strap is the experience/time in service. Also, this was originally labelled as the Admiral's Jacket. That is wrong in two ways. 1.) It's a captain's jacket. 2.) If it were modeled after Kirk's uniform, Kirk was only a Rear Admiral according to his rank pip. This is subject to error since I was never able to get a detailed picture. He may be a full admiral, because the difference between the two is so small.
The point is, that there are more ranks, and the current one on there doesn't match the description. It would be immensely great if we could have more customization on this.

i did do some research and found that the circles on the wrist notate 10 years. The dash is 1 year. Heck, they still sell this stuff on Roddenberry.com for crying out loud. If you want the whole just, here's two links for your troubles. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfle...2270s-2350s%29 (style specifics)
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform (coloration specifics. they don't matter too much because of the customization)

In the first link, you will also find something interesting. As a matter of fact, a lot of interesting things.
1.) A cadet uniform
2.) An enlistee uniform
3.) A waiter's uniform (no, I'm not kidding)
4.) An engineer's uniform
5.) The Captain's vest jacket
6.) Medical Uniforms
7.) A Security Uniform/Marine's Uniform
8.) Away Team Uniform (probably the coolest thing ever)

So, if you're going to give us some nostalgia and bring back an epic story, here are three recommendations:
1.) Fix the current officer's uniform
2.) Add the other uniforms
3.) Make retrofit vessels of the time period.

Please and thank you.
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# 2
02-28-2011, 10:46 PM
It's a great wish list, one hopes the boys will give it some consideration
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# 3
03-01-2011, 07:15 PM
Not just a wish list, bud. A corrections list!

Funny that I figured out something really cool. If STO lasts longer than two years, which it will with Star Trek's high budget fanbase, the 30th anniversary of the Wrath of Khan is actually on June 4th 1982 for those in America. Cryptic, we know you have the rights to stuff from the Wrath of Khan. We are hoping to see something for this in approx. 15 months.

And get this, Canada missed out. The first time it was publicly displayed in Canada was a year ago in a digital film festival. The latest other than that which the movie was release was May of 1983 in Norway, most likely to translate the audio to Norwegian and get the pitches/media format correct.

If you want more info., check IMDb or Memory Alpha (STOWiki).
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# 4
03-01-2011, 08:02 PM
Red denotes a cadet. Saavik's uniform was red shirt, with red tab, because she was still a cadet- she had not yet graduated. Valeris was a graduate. IIRC grey was the color for Operations and Communications and officers still wore red shirts their first year of service. Otherwise Valeris's uniform is a costuming error. I hadn't looked to closely to the color selection because as soon as I realized it just had the Captain's rake I never put it on my Captain. It is my second favorite of the uniforms. I am all for Cryptic getting it right. I hope RedPhoenix32 is right and we get something WOK related for the anniversary.
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# 5
03-02-2011, 05:31 PM
Good points. Maybe if someone had come up and posted this during the last year they would have been fixed already......... .........
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# 6
03-02-2011, 07:11 PM
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# 7
03-02-2011, 07:29 PM
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Because not all ladies are the supposed "ideal or perfect" size?? Bit more realistic then having all 36C's floating around...


Also I do support your first post on the uniforms...
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# 8
03-08-2011, 01:45 PM
This thread is not getting the attention it needs.
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# 9
03-09-2011, 10:37 PM
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This thread is not getting the attention it needs.
You have HypnoToad as your avatar. Use it to make the devs obey.
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# 10
03-17-2011, 01:38 PM
ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD.

But seriously. THINK. The Wrath of Khan uniform is not only the most expensive to duplicate but is the most popular.
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