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# 11
03-09-2011, 01:33 PM
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Fully spec'ed Tykens can drain about 70 subsystem points, 2 stacks. Yes, keeping them slowed/held in Tykens will make it so the full effect duration is maximized. While on its own it will help drop power levels, it is best used with tractor or GW combo.
Can you explain this one to me? Ever since The Big Tyken's Nerf way back when, I ditched it.

I tried using it a few days ago and couldn't get any appreciable results. I think I got Tyken's 3 up to about -38 drain with 2x Tomographic Imagers, 9/9 in Spatial Anomaly, and and 125 Aux. Will adding more Tomographic Imagers and/or a Deflector help (I'm currently using the Borg Deflector which isn't exactly ideal for Tyken's). Or is it that it's -38 applied twice?
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# 12
03-09-2011, 03:40 PM
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Can you explain this one to me? Ever since The Big Tyken's Nerf way back when, I ditched it.

I tried using it a few days ago and couldn't get any appreciable results. I think I got Tyken's 3 up to about -38 drain with 2x Tomographic Imagers, 9/9 in Spatial Anomaly, and and 125 Aux. Will adding more Tomographic Imagers and/or a Deflector help (I'm currently using the Borg Deflector which isn't exactly ideal for Tyken's). Or is it that it's -38 applied twice?
The way it looks to me, is that after spending a few seconds in a Tykens, the debuff icon gets a "2" on it, indicating you're being hit by two copies. This seems to happen even if you're being hit by only one copy.

By this logic, I'd assume your -38 would become a -76, after 2 or 4 seconds. Then ofc, the effect would be split between you and anything else in the Tykens AoE...
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# 13
03-09-2011, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dassem_Ultor
The way it looks to me, is that after spending a few seconds in a Tykens, the debuff icon gets a "2" on it, indicating you're being hit by two copies. This seems to happen even if you're being hit by only one copy.

By this logic, I'd assume your -38 would become a -76, after 2 or 4 seconds. Then ofc, the effect would be split between you and anything else in the Tykens AoE...
Actually, I think they fixed that during The Great Tyken's Nerf. It used to be able to get like -120 drain, but that was split amongst the targets inside it's AoE. Now I think everyone within it gets hit by the same drain stated on the tooltip.
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# 14
03-09-2011, 03:59 PM
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Can you explain this one to me? Ever since The Big Tyken's Nerf way back when, I ditched it.

I tried using it a few days ago and couldn't get any appreciable results. I think I got Tyken's 3 up to about -38 drain with 2x Tomographic Imagers, 9/9 in Spatial Anomaly, and and 125 Aux. Will adding more Tomographic Imagers and/or a Deflector help (I'm currently using the Borg Deflector which isn't exactly ideal for Tyken's). Or is it that it's -38 applied twice?
You will notice the longer stay in the Rift will apply a 2nd stack on top of the 1st. So 2x -38 = -76 rift drain. i know because i see this happen to me many times and see the #2 on the icon and seeing, roughly, 70-ish points lost on all my subsystems.
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# 15
03-09-2011, 04:06 PM
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You will notice the longer stay in the Rift will apply a 2nd stack on top of the 1st. So 2x -38 = -76 rift drain. i know because i see this happen to me many times and see the #2 on the icon and seeing, roughly, 70-ish points lost on all my subsystems.
Ah, I see thanks. So it's 2x the tooltip's value?
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# 16
03-09-2011, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dassem_Ultor
With a specialized build, Tachyon can drain 6000 over 10 seconds. Also, you can run 2 copies. A ship like this, paired with a tac/escort, is an awesome combo.
Is this being fully specced and using 4 consoles to buff it?

What is the GCD on using 2 TachyB's?

i know using CPB 3 and Tachy 3 i can do 8876 shield damage in 10 seconds (minus the use of TSS or EPtS abilities). Then CPB isn't available for another 40 seconds and Tachy isn't ready for another 25 seconds. So if we do the combo for 1 minute of attack i can get off 3 tachy 3 and 2 CPB 3....4020 x3= 12060 & 4865 x2= 9730...so, that is a total of 21,790 shield bust.
[Am going to tribble to test using 2 Tachy 3's]
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# 17
03-09-2011, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
Ah, I see thanks. So it's 2x the tooltip's value?
yes, like i mentioned before being the only ship caught in the rift i see the double stack and roughly equate the 70-ish power loss because my shields are at 72 and there is a big Red 0 in its place.
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# 18
03-09-2011, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sithterror View Post
Is this being fully specced and using 4 consoles to buff it?

What is the GCD on using 2 TachyB's?

i know using CPB 3 and Tachy 3 i can do 8876 shield damage in 10 seconds (minus the use of TSS or EPtS abilities). Then CPB isn't available for another 40 seconds and Tachy isn't ready for another 25 seconds. So if we do the combo for 1 minute of attack i can get off 3 tachy 3 and 2 CPB 3....4020 x3= 12060 & 4865 x2= 9730...so, that is a total of 21,790 shield bust.
[Am going to tribble to test using 2 Tachy 3's]
I think the GCD on TachBeams is 30 seconds.

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yes, like i mentioned before being the only ship caught in the rift i see the double stack and roughly equate the 70-ish power loss because my shields are at 72 and there is a big Red 0 in its place.
Thanks, this is quite useful for me. My Tac and my Sci are both FBP3 boats, I'm thinking of making my Eng a Tyken's 3 boat.
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# 19
03-09-2011, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
I think the GCD on TachBeams is 30 seconds.

Thanks, this is quite useful for me. My Tac and my Sci are both FBP3 boats, I'm thinking of making my Eng a Tyken's 3 boat.
Tachy 3:
CD = 30 sec
GCD = 20 sec
using 4x +15 Mk X Consoles, Tachy 3 will do -508 per pulse, over 10 pulses....so 5080 damage. Leaves CPB 3 to 4040 w/o consoles, just skills.
So [if my math is right] you can cycle 5 Tachy 3's in 1 minute. 5,080 * 5 = 25,400. add in CPB 3 for 4,040 and can fire it twice in a 1 min time frame....nets you with 8,080 points.
Combined uses = 33,480 points of shield busting.
Now granted this isn't taking into account: Turn/Vectors, RSF, TSS, Sci-team, EPtS and Miracle Worker or Shield Batteries.
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# 20
03-09-2011, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
Actually, I think they fixed that during The Great Tyken's Nerf. It used to be able to get like -120 drain, but that was split amongst the targets inside it's AoE. Now I think everyone within it gets hit by the same drain stated on the tooltip.
Yeah all targets get hit by 2 stacks now. Each draining as advertised. (mine drains -36. so it drains 72 total.) Where it gets real fun is when Target Subsystem as thrown into the mix. If you can some how find the points, running Polaron with that makes it really fun.
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