Lt. Commander
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# 1 Will there be changes?
03-09-2011, 11:06 PM
Now I will probably get some dodgy troll flaming about what I say but meh.

I would just like to ask some questions about changes *planned, upcoming, or not*.

1. There has been a forum thread from some dude being pointlessly negative about Federation Carriers. Has there been any word on the carrier development? I would certainly like to see something like this in the game, it would be a fun ship to use, I like my KDF carrier, why can't the Federation have one? and in regard to before mentioned player about balance issues, sorry but you must not pay much attention to the game because STO is primarily PvE oriented, if you wanna complain about Fed's having carriers, how bout you also complain about KDF B'Rel retrofits with advanced battle cloak if your only beef is with pvp balance.

2. I posted a thread recently that was about modifying the UI and Ship Costume Customisation options. Most players who have been on for awhile now have full aegis, Borg and now reman tech. It has taken a bit of extra effort to get these items to customise our ships, and the dev's have put in alot of well used time to create them. I think they are excellent, they look great and are another added feature to the game. I asked if it's possible to tweak the ship customisation UI to add deflector, Shield, Engine and Console options, and have unlockable modification parts * The Equivalent of how we unlock Vice Admiral Coat, and Veterans Uniform in game *, in this case the parts are unlocked on acquisition e.g. completion of Infected to get the Sub-Transwarp engine.

My question is, if anyone does know, will we see a change to the ship costume customisation so we can start modifying the looks of our ships without the need for equipping those specific items?

3. The flame question *KDF related*, Why do we have a PvP emphasised faction at all? It's needless, pointless, and a waste of the Klingon Empire. I love the history and stories around the Klingons and there allies, but to limit them to something as simplistic as the current format is really just an insult to Gene's creation. Will the dev's ever make the KDF a functioning faction, and remove the idiocy of the term "PvP faction"?

Okay slight rant over, I would love to see the faction open to a bit of change, and good on you dev's for starting the revamping process for the next season. Also I am not saying that PvP should be removed, but it really needs a knockdown rebuild, and not emphasised on an entire faction.

4. The Dev's plan on doing more work on exploration, including the way it is going to be changed, will they open up new areas for us to explore? Season 4 is awhile away still, but I would assume we would be seeing alot more iconian content, with the sudden influx of iconian gateways of differing sizes I wonder will we have a new sector to explore in Iconian territory. More expanded sectors of Borg Territory and the Delta Quadrant, and Perhaps a use for the wormhole to open up the Gamma Quadrant. I don't know what they have planned myself, but new sectors would be nice.

5. Champions Online vs Star Trek Online? I have accounts on both programs, and I can see how the ground combat system in STO is meant to work based off of the Champions System, but it has until recently not lived upto expectations. I expect the dev's work will be excellent in the upcoming change. My question is will we see more expanded skills, or even learnable skills for our captains, or training to boost certain attributes that influence other skills. *ground only*. The system where you gain points to allocate on a broad range of skills in champions would be an excellent addition to the STO ground system. Allowing for much more diversity in ground encounters and combat.

6. Champions Online vs Star Trek Online 2? This is a big issue with me, and a source of frustration on STO. WHY DO PLAYERS ON CHAMPIONS ONLINE HAVE A 400 ATARI TOKEN STIPEND FOR THERE PLAYERS MONTHLY, AND WE DONT! I have a lifetime membership and have nearly unlocked every c-store item. I have put in alot of time and money into this game, why does the is the lifetime "reward" seem more like a punch in the face than an actual reward. Very disappointing.

7. Last question for now, Will we ever see a major overhaul of the STF's? I have heard they are looking into it but nothing concrete. I and some friends and teammates would like to see a few changes *a) more than just the borg tech as a reward to choose from *b) Higher drop rates in the mission itself *c) When we fulfill objectives and get those purple drops, for gods sake make a drop for every player, we all put in the effort here, not just 1 person, and we should be rewarded equally, it's a simple matter of being fair.

The only thing I don't want to change is the difficulty scale, this mission is fun, and challenging, thats why its meant for a team, please dont dumb it down, the unique rewards lose there value if anyone and there dog can get it. Or if you do have an option for setting the base difficulty to Normal, then at least remove the Borg item as a reward for Normal level diff.

Thats all I wanted to ask. Anyone wanna comment is welcome I love this game, and will keep playing it, lets voice some constructive questions and queries together and help make this game even better.
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# 2
03-09-2011, 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arc_D View Post
Now I will probably get some dodgy troll flaming about what I say but meh.

I would just like to ask some questions about changes *planned, upcoming, or not*.

1. There has been a forum thread from some dude being pointlessly negative about Federation Carriers. Has there been any word on the carrier development? I would certainly like to see something like this in the game, it would be a fun ship to use, I like my KDF carrier, why can't the Federation have one? and in regard to before mentioned player about balance issues, sorry but you must not pay much attention to the game because STO is primarily PvE oriented, if you wanna complain about Fed's having carriers, how bout you also complain about KDF B'Rel retrofits with advanced battle cloak if your only beef is with pvp balance.

If you read any posts and threads about fed carriers, then you can see a reason. Aside from canon, and all else, it's not a Fed thing to do. Really the the federation never sends out 1 man suicide jihadists, ever.


2. I posted a thread recently that was about modifying the UI and Ship Costume Customisation options. Most players who have been on for awhile now have full aegis, Borg and now reman tech. It has taken a bit of extra effort to get these items to customise our ships, and the dev's have put in alot of well used time to create them. I think they are excellent, they look great and are another added feature to the game. I asked if it's possible to tweak the ship customisation UI to add deflector, Shield, Engine and Console options, and have unlockable modification parts * The Equivalent of how we unlock Vice Admiral Coat, and Veterans Uniform in game *, in this case the parts are unlocked on acquisition e.g. completion of Infected to get the Sub-Transwarp engine.

My question is, if anyone does know, will we see a change to the ship costume customisation so we can start modifying the looks of our ships without the need for equipping those specific items?

Good question but also covered in many threads.

3. The flame question *KDF related*, Why do we have a PvP emphasised faction at all? It's needless, pointless, and a waste of the Klingon Empire. I love the history and stories around the Klingons and there allies, but to limit them to something as simplistic as the current format is really just an insult to Gene's creation. Will the dev's ever make the KDF a functioning faction, and remove the idiocy of the term "PvP faction"?

Okay slight rant over, I would love to see the faction open to a bit of change, and good on you dev's for starting the revamping process for the next season. Also I am not saying that PvP should be removed, but it really needs a knockdown rebuild, and not emphasised on an entire faction.

Basic game design, faction and PvP, who are you going to fight?


4. The Dev's plan on doing more work on exploration, including the way it is going to be changed, will they open up new areas for us to explore? Season 4 is awhile away still, but I would assume we would be seeing alot more iconian content, with the sudden influx of iconian gateways of differing sizes I wonder will we have a new sector to explore in Iconian territory. More expanded sectors of Borg Territory and the Delta Quadrant, and Perhaps a use for the wormhole to open up the Gamma Quadrant. I don't know what they have planned myself, but new sectors would be nice.

Exploration is going to be reworked in the future, why would you expect more before the rework?

5. Champions Online vs Star Trek Online? I have accounts on both programs, and I can see how the ground combat system in STO is meant to work based off of the Champions System, but it has until recently not lived upto expectations. I expect the dev's work will be excellent in the upcoming change. My question is will we see more expanded skills, or even learnable skills for our captains, or training to boost certain attributes that influence other skills. *ground only*. The system where you gain points to allocate on a broad range of skills in champions would be an excellent addition to the STO ground system. Allowing for much more diversity in ground encounters and combat.

Champions is all about ground, let me say that again. No starships in Champions, all ground.

6. Champions Online vs Star Trek Online 2? This is a big issue with me, and a source of frustration on STO. WHY DO PLAYERS ON CHAMPIONS ONLINE HAVE A 400 ATARI TOKEN STIPEND FOR THERE PLAYERS MONTHLY, AND WE DONT! I have a lifetime membership and have nearly unlocked every c-store item. I have put in alot of time and money into this game, why does the is the lifetime "reward" seem more like a punch in the face than an actual reward. Very disappointing.

Lol, one is free to play other is not. I'll let you figure out what is what.


7. Last question for now, Will we ever see a major overhaul of the STF's? I have heard they are looking into it but nothing concrete. I and some friends and teammates would like to see a few changes *a) more than just the borg tech as a reward to choose from *b) Higher drop rates in the mission itself *c) When we fulfill objectives and get those purple drops, for gods sake make a drop for every player, we all put in the effort here, not just 1 person, and we should be rewarded equally, it's a simple matter of being fair.

The only thing I don't want to change is the difficulty scale, this mission is fun, and challenging, thats why its meant for a team, please dont dumb it down, the unique rewards lose there value if anyone and there dog can get it. Or if you do have an option for setting the base difficulty to Normal, then at least remove the Borg item as a reward for Normal level diff.

That's part of a STF, no dumbing it down since you are leet, but only a chance to get good loot. The really skilled people will do this over and over again and share loot. Doing a STF once, riding on the heals of others and being guaranteed a drop is not skill. It's there for a reason.

Thats all I wanted to ask. Anyone wanna comment is welcome I love this game, and will keep playing it, lets voice some constructive questions and queries together and help make this game even better.

There is my responses.
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# 3 replysyness
03-10-2011, 01:06 AM
Thanks for your reply maina, may I reply to some of your comments

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If you read any posts and threads about fed carriers, then you can see a reason. Aside from canon, and all else, it's not a Fed thing to do. Really the the federation never sends out 1 man suicide jihadists, ever.
Have you played Star trek: Invasion? The basis of the entire game is being a fighter pilot aboard the Federation Carrier Typhon. I suppose that would answer the question regarding canon and "the fed thing to do". As for term canon itself, does it really hold any weight in this game? The dev's are creating canon, there is no more series or anything to base the content on anymore. Canon is really just the bare bones of the story, the dev's job is to add the meat so to speak

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Basic game design, faction and PvP, who are you going to fight?
There are plenty of enemies for the empire to fight, the idea of a PvP faction seems a bit too EVE'esque, for my liking, though this is just my personal opinion. I'd have liked to see a more persistant enemy other than the heavy PvP missions we have. We had like 4 missions of the Feh'kir why not add more, why not add some mission related to the gorn, or nausicaans, there is soooo much potential, but the focus seems very much towards the pvp side of things.

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Exploration is going to be reworked in the future, why would you expect more before the rework?
I don't believe I said I expected anything? I asked merely if we would see more sectors appear in game, before or after is a matter of time, because the exploration redo will take along time I imagine.


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Champions is all about ground, let me say that again. No starships in Champions, all ground.
Umm, I am quite aware of that. I do have 4 chars on there my question was about if anyone knew what ground changes we might expect apart the jumping and aiming, and I added a bit of info about the system on champs, because frankly ground on STO is modelled off ground in Champs.

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Lol, one is free to play other is not. I'll let you figure out what is what.
I guess you have never been on there before right? F2P on Champions has alot of limits on it, which tends to mean most players are gold members and still pay the monthly fee. The same applies for STO, you are either lifetimer and no longer pay monthly, or u still pay monthly. Again I did ask why we don't get the stippend like CO. *There gold members and lifetimers get the stippend, and we dont". If anything STO should get it more than CO, as everyone here pays to play here.


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That's part of a STF, no dumbing it down since you are leet, but only a chance to get good loot. The really skilled people will do this over and over again and share loot. Doing a STF once, riding on the heals of others and being guaranteed a drop is not skill. It's there for a reason
Lol, the only people who "ride on the heels of others", are people new to the STF's, and that is fair enough, they don't know what to do. I have run teams through Inf. Cure and KA many times. I still think that the loot, and rewards are not sufficient for the amount of time you put into these missions. Even when you run these missions as much as our STF channel do the loot, inlcuding the "fancy" purple gear is not really worth it. Mk X? Please... Give me a break! VA's use minimum Mk XI and XII gear. As much as the lil Suffix [Borg] is fancy and all, I am still not going to get rid of my crafted mk XI gear for a step down. To think the rare item to drop from the tact cube the other day was a mk VIII tactical console is frankly disgusting. Also with all those delightful "Need jockeys", its not like playing fair works out well with PuG's does it.

Also, and I have done these damn mission so many times to farm my mark's of valor and run friends through, are they ever gonna change the crap exchange items u get for the marks? Again Mk X, Borgy items, I am at a point now I only purchase Kit's.

But, this said, dumbing down is a no-no. STF's are still Elite. *just some VA loot please (prays to loot gods)*
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# 4
03-10-2011, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Arc_D View Post
I guess you have never been on there before right? F2P on Champions has alot of limits on it, which tends to mean most players are gold members and still pay the monthly fee. The same applies for STO, you are either lifetimer and no longer pay monthly, or u still pay monthly. Again I did ask why we don't get the stippend like CO. *There gold members and lifetimers get the stippend, and we dont". If anything STO should get it more than CO, as everyone here pays to play here.
No, you've missed the point. Subscribers in CO get stipends to encourage people to subscribe instead of just F2P.

In STO, there is no F2P option, thus the main reason for giving bonus points does not exist.
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# 5
03-10-2011, 10:36 AM
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No, you've missed the point. Subscribers in CO get stipends to encourage people to subscribe instead of just F2P.

In STO, there is no F2P option, thus the main reason for giving bonus points does not exist.
That is correct. The monthly stipend is a "perk" of being a subscriber in the F2P model, so has nothing to do with STO until it goes F2P.
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# 6
03-10-2011, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Arc_D View Post
Have you played Star trek: Invasion? The basis of the entire game is being a fighter pilot aboard the Federation Carrier Typhon. I suppose that would answer the question regarding canon and "the fed thing to do". As for term canon itself, does it really hold any weight in this game? The dev's are creating canon, there is no more series or anything to base the content on anymore. Canon is really just the bare bones of the story, the dev's job is to add the meat so to speak
ST Invasion can't be used as a basis for anything in this game, and the Typhon class can't be used because its owned by another game company.


I don't believe you've actually read the threads you speak of. Otherwise you'd have the answers you seek. Also, your OP has the tone of dismissal for alternative POV's presented against yours, so I'm not quite sure its even worth answering some of your other questions.
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# 7
03-10-2011, 10:57 AM
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If you read any posts and threads about fed carriers, then you can see a reason. Aside from canon, and all else, it's not a Fed thing to do. Really the the federation never sends out 1 man suicide jihadists, ever.
So the Peregrine fighters in the battle to retake DS9 were....what?....automated?
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# 8
03-10-2011, 11:34 AM
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If you read any posts and threads about fed carriers, then you can see a reason. Aside from canon, and all else, it's not a Fed thing to do. Really the the federation never sends out 1 man suicide jihadists, ever.
I always find it funny when people say Fed carriers aren't/wouldn't be canon.

Federation fighters have been seen in many episodes, mostly DS9. This makes fighters canon.

Now, how would the federation transport and deploy said fighters? There are three possible scenarios.
  1. Fighters are Warp capable. Possible but improbable and impractical.
  2. Regular starships carry them in their shuttle bays. Wouldn't this make those ships carriers?
  3. Specialist starships with huge shuttle bays carry these ships, AKA Carriers.

What's even funnier is that there is NO canon evidence the Klingons have fighters let alone carriers, and yet the Klingons in STO have both.
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# 9
03-10-2011, 11:36 AM
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So the Peregrine fighters in the battle to retake DS9 were....what?....automated?
It's been pointed out that those ships are actually warp-capable. They're technically not real "fighters", since they can actually be launched from nearby planets and starbases, and get to an Operations Zone all under their own power (like in the Battles of Chintoka).
We call them fighters because they are small and lightly armed and armored. But in reality they're more like miniscule scout ships. They're also a bit bigger than the standared runabout, which probably means that most starships aren't gonna have the capability to maintain and launch the Peregrines.
Also, as has also been pointed out, the Klingons have their own unique ship types goin' on, just like we do.
Klingons have: Battlecruisers, Birds of Prey, Escorts, and Carriers (with the optional Varanus Sci Ship; Guramba's really just a fancy-shmancy escort type)
Federation has: Cruisers, Science Ships, and Escorts (with the optional Federation Dreadnaught, in essence, a battlecruiser)
The only ship type both factions seem to have in common (without C-Store purchases, mind) is the Escort. Now, it would be really neat if the Federation were to get a new unique ship type that is just for them, to balance out that the Klingons have an extra standared ship class. But whatever that would be, it'd more than likely be the answer to Klingon Carriers, and not neccesarily a carrier itself.
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# 10
03-10-2011, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexraptor View Post
So the Peregrine fighters in the battle to retake DS9 were....what?....automated?
Cyberized Chipmunk brains linked to the control elements through a nueral interface. A flawed concept meant to save money in production costs much like the CIA used bats to kill castro that carried little bombs.
:p


on a different line of thinking,
Open up the BoP/Carrier debate though and we KDF are going to want a line of dedicated science vessels to compensate for the loss of factional flavor and our lack of such a vessel coming up the ranks.
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