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# 21
03-26-2011, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pantheras View Post
I believe its wrong to use the same methods (spam/broken skills) you dont aprove only to give back "a taste of their own medicine".If you do ,you actually fall into the same trap of becoming no better than those who use it with the empty argument that " we shall use everything to win".
Some time back we as a fleet had decided to simply LEAVE (warp out) whenever in Arena there was a mine spamming premade like Fista Sista,SOB and TSI.Not even start at all.Because engaging would mean approving.The point was not to find ways to adapt and adjust tactics to counter BUT TO MAKE A CLEAR STATEMENT ,that we simply DO NOT APROVE this type of gameplay.We were then accused of cowardness,and "fear" to face the super fleets all covered up in minefields.
If other premades and/or pugs would have followed this stance of DISAPROVAL of what pvp had become maybe it would made others reconsider when they eventually were not able to find ANY group to game with.Unfortunately the extend of which spam/broken skills were implemented exeeded every atempt to fight it.If we wanted to keep on playing this game we were forced to submit to the trend and use it ourselves or retreat and confine our gameplay in C & H /Kerrat.
You mention these 3 fleets as spamming fleets. I can say that imo TSI and SOB dont use spam to win think they are both very balance and good fleets and our friends.

As far as Fista Sistas Space team goes yeah well I talk to some of the Fista SIstas members on a regular basic think they are all good ppl. But I dont agree with the tactic they use in space, it consist of 3-4 sci intrepids and all use the current top 5 skills from the worst spam and broken skills list if we look at that ppl say in pvp forums

I far as I know with that tactic they can beat all pvp fleets except TSI and Qew. That could result in many pvp players and fleets leaving the game, and that cant be good for anyone
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# 22
03-26-2011, 08:28 AM
Simple solution on the mine spam honestly, which is why I don't understand why Cryptic undid this. Is auto fire should be not be allowed to placed on a mine. If you really think about and if you in the thick of battle the last thing you are going to think about is hitting the key to deploy your mine. You will still have them, but I don't think you will have to the near numbers that they are now. And this will force the player to be more strategic when placing mines instead of spamming.

Cryptic needs to go back and look at the powers on the some of the science skills. Personally I think the buff that science team gives needs to last longer to help avoid the issues with scramble sensors.
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# 23
03-26-2011, 09:22 AM
I am a Science ship Captain. I currently fly a Nebula class variant. With that all being said, I would like to ask this. What exactly do you call "Scispamming"...what Science abilities do you consider broken?

I PvP maybe once a week (in an actual PvP que) and on occasion I will go down to Kerrat and hang out in a small corner with my fleet mates and do some PvP in there. As such, I have been accused, on numerous accounts, as being a lamer, and a scispammer, just for the simple fact that I'm a science Captain. I can enter the map, phaser fire all around me, and I tap my spacebar once to activate my weapons to defend myself and it's "Oh look, another scispammer!" or "Da**** Scispammer!"

So I guess what I am trying to say here is that I really don't understand what all the hoopla is all about here. Please take the time to help me better understand what is making you guys unhappy? Make a list of what abilities really **** you off and why. I know this stuff has been posted in numerous forums before and I do apologize. I normally only read the dev trackers.
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# 24
03-26-2011, 10:06 AM
the attitude represented here is the problem. there isnt, or never was, any skill so broken that the game was unplayable. people are just noobhat *******s, who cant handle it. whether "it" is old school snb/vm, pre nerf rsp chaining,, gwell spam, whatever fotm comes next; the true skilled player seeks to adapt and povercome before he QQs and cries. Nothing ****es me off, no matter WHAT the circumstances, when i hear someone on vent say "we cant win becus theyre using xxx" even whenn xxx is a real cheat or known exploit. You lose when u dont play. You can never win if you dont try. The worst kind of people in games (and in the world) are those who refuse to accept a challenge unless they believe or know they have a set advantage. Those who take the first excuse as a reason for THEIr personal failings.

Those people are followed closely behind by the people who use cheats, exploits, and "soon to be fixed" skills to claim victory in a game where victory is truly meanngless.

From the mantra of my old fleet Death Befotre Dishonor, it is my gaming ethos to avoid "hax/op/bugged" skills. I pride myself on the kill for the challenge, and its NO FUN when their is no chance of a loss.

The answer isnt to bicth and shame people into not using the lame skills/tactics people are *****ign about as of right now. Next week itll be somethign else. The answer isnt to mimic their builds in an effort to make the game makers nerf them. Rise above, take the sling vs the giant and PWN him despite the odds. Wjhen u win, not only will u gain the enemy's respect, more than likely the shame of defeat against the odds will be worth more than the uninterupted string of wins put together by hardcore teams vs pugs/randoms.
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# 25
03-26-2011, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ofdpt23 View Post
I am a Science ship Captain. I currently fly a Nebula class variant. With that all being said, I would like to ask this. What exactly do you call "Scispamming"...what Science abilities do you consider broken?

I PvP maybe once a week (in an actual PvP que) and on occasion I will go down to Kerrat and hang out in a small corner with my fleet mates and do some PvP in there. As such, I have been accused, on numerous accounts, as being a lamer, and a scispammer, just for the simple fact that I'm a science Captain. I can enter the map, phaser fire all around me, and I tap my spacebar once to activate my weapons to defend myself and it's "Oh look, another scispammer!" or "Da**** Scispammer!"

So I guess what I am trying to say here is that I really don't understand what all the hoopla is all about here. Please take the time to help me better understand what is making you guys unhappy? Make a list of what abilities really **** you off and why. I know this stuff has been posted in numerous forums before and I do apologize. I normally only read the dev trackers.
Not all sci vessel captains spam and it's impossible for one sci captain to do this by him or herself (unless you have 3 scramble sensors, but that just limits you as a ship build), I have 3 characters at max level of each class with each build and I don't run my sci like this all the time (only do it when the other team starts to). Some premade fleet teams will have 3 sci ships each with scramble sensors BO power or two back to back. Those sci ships will also run a mine with auto fire on it. What this does for the other team is limit their ability to target the them and creates a lot of lag for some if not most players in the game. The two players most of the time is a cruiser that heals and an escort for dps for the rest of the team makeup. While the team is confused with scramble and the massive amount mines on the field they are unable to target anyone and the escort and cruiser will take out the weakest and work their way down. Honestly teams that do this require some amount of skill to do it, however this creates a unbalance game play. Teams that run like this usually win fairly easy in pvp vs a pug group or a premade that wasn't equip to handle it. While everyone calls this spam it is a tactic in sense, but an unfair one. Most players just want a fair pvp experience, and I can't blame them for that.

There are many options that cryptic can do here, they could change the way sci team works, or create new sci BO powers that combats scramble sensors and powers like it. The mine spam can be combated by someone running grav well or using an aoe attack. But at the same time I think the way mines are deployed need to be change for better balancing.
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# 26
03-26-2011, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ofdpt23 View Post
I am a Science ship Captain. I currently fly a Nebula class variant. With that all being said, I would like to ask this. What exactly do you call "Scispamming"...what Science abilities do you consider broken?

I PvP maybe once a week (in an actual PvP que) and on occasion I will go down to Kerrat and hang out in a small corner with my fleet mates and do some PvP in there. As such, I have been accused, on numerous accounts, as being a lamer, and a scispammer, just for the simple fact that I'm a science Captain. I can enter the map, phaser fire all around me, and I tap my spacebar once to activate my weapons to defend myself and it's "Oh look, another scispammer!" or "Da**** Scispammer!"

So I guess what I am trying to say here is that I really don't understand what all the hoopla is all about here. Please take the time to help me better understand what is making you guys unhappy? Make a list of what abilities really **** you off and why. I know this stuff has been posted in numerous forums before and I do apologize. I normally only read the dev trackers.
Just being a Sci warrants being called a spammer Escorts can blast away with their Cannons to their hearts content, Cruisers can stack heals on people like there's no tomorrow, but the second you activate Photonic Fleet or any Sci power, you get called out.

I have TBR 2 and all heals, and I still get called a Sci spammer.
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# 27
03-26-2011, 09:59 PM
I've been called a sci spammer before...right after the guy blew up .

I run a D'Kyr, and I tend to really tick people off when I grav well, tractor beam, target engines, and then warp plasma them. It's a crowd control build...my purpose isn't to do direct damage, it's to immobilize people and make them useless until one of my escort friends comes by and pops them. I think people get mad because they don't realize that this is what science vessels were made for...a support role. I could equip all heals and be invincible, or I could run my current build, which is absolutely devastating on a team. But I'm not an escort, I can't blast their shields away with 1 hit, and in a 1 vs 1 fight, I'm not going to kill them. Of course...I won't die either .

And a note about the mines...with the recent changes to beam fire at will, spam is becoming much less of a problem, and I think eventually the people who like to spam will stop doing it because it won't be as effective any more.
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# 28
03-27-2011, 05:42 AM
Spam means that you cast more than 1 thing on your opponent, so one sci ship will not really be able to make spam imo

It seem to be 3-4 sci Intrepid that makes the worst kind of spam who is really annoying for most

If an ordinary casual pvper just been in a match with alot of sci spam he will get mad, and will probably call people spammers when he sees the same skills used against him by just a single sci ship. Or he could even give up on pvp as many already have done.
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# 29
03-27-2011, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidemand82 View Post
Spam means that you cast more than 1 thing on your opponent, so one sci ship will not really be able to make spam imo

It seem to be 3-4 sci Intrepid that makes the worst kind of spam who is really annoying for most

If an ordinary casual pvper just been in a match with alot of sci spam he will get mad, and will probably call people spammers when he sees the same skills used against him by just a single sci ship. Or he could even give up on pvp as many already have done.
Agreed..

Spam is never a problem from a single person, its when a fleet build their tactics upon those skills that are annoying.

1 ship using scramble isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
1 ship using mines+patterns isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
1 ship doing dedicated heals isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
1 carrier using fighters isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
etc
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# 30
03-27-2011, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MelineAaele View Post
Agreed..

Spam is never a problem from a single person, its when a fleet build their tactics upon those skills that are annoying.

1 ship using scramble isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
1 ship using mines+patterns isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
1 ship doing dedicated heals isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
1 carrier using fighters isnt spamming - 3-4 of them are
etc
well, i hate to say it, but the game has to limit spam within from its own mechanics. look at the most brutal offenders of spam over the games brief history:

offender Punishment
vm spam: vm nerfed to near uselessness
rsp spam: rsp length shortened
photonic spam: hard immunity (chaining no more)
tric spam: same immunity
tractor mien spam: global cd +unique item

instead of *****ing, what is the solution to you own personal pet peeve variety of spam? personally i wouldnt mind seeing a "harden sensors" skill so that after beign scrambled once u have some immunity, or even a special item/power up/ add on to existing skill (sci team??/epta??) give u a brief hardened sensors.. just a thought
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