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Lt. Commander
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I think on the Galaxy X and the Assault that the Ensign slot should be take off and there should be just a Lt. Commander or Commander slot. The Ensign slot has no useful purpose and is not needed.....I just feel that it need's to be taken off and something more useful should be put there
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# 2
04-03-2011, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by matrix1701 View Post
I think on the Galaxy X and the Assault that the Ensign slot should be take off and there should be just a Lt. Commander or Commander slot. The Ensign slot has no useful purpose and is not needed.....I just feel that it need's to be taken off and something more useful should be put there
But... why?

The Ensign tactical station gives you several useful 'kit' options. I would hardly call it useless. If you're flying around without, say, Beam Fire at Will 1, or Polarize Hull - both of which are Ensign abilities you can drop in that second spot - you're undercutting yourself.
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# 3
04-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Train two copies of BFAW I. Spam space bar. Profit.
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# 4
04-04-2011, 01:29 PM
Well, you really can't add a Lt. Commander or Commander slot WITHOUT an Ensign slot, unless you just raise one of your other BOs to one higher level. And then you will have 4 BOs instead of 5, which is the standard for RA and VA.

It sounds like what is wanted is a greater selection of Ensign level abilities.
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# 5
04-07-2011, 01:11 PM
I don't think you understand what I am saying so let me be real clear.....when I say get rid of the ensign slot I mean like Assault cruiser and Galaxy X you have BO slot tac for Lt and ensign....now what I am saying is I think that they should do away with the BO ensign slot and change the Lt. BO slot to Lt. Commander or Commander that is what I mean ........I just think top level cruiser's should have more fire options and not be so limited.....so to be clear again I do not think the ensign BO slot for the tac on the ship has no good use...you can add a Lt. Commander slot and still have 3 tac options it is just you will have better one's like being able to use Fire at Will III, High Yield III, or Beam over Load III instead of just being stuck with High Yield 1 or 2 you could use High Yield 3 or 2 I just think that would be better since cruisers threw out the game are given the same low level attack options....So again I think the top level cruisers should have a little more fire power options.....So I am sorry for not making my point better the first time I hope you all see were I am going this time and i am eager to hear what others think on this I have talked to many in STO who agree with this...And I know there are going to be those of you out there that are going to scream PVP PVP you are going to mess up PVP and I am just going to say now I don't think so in fact I think it is going to make it more competitive......Escorts are still going to out do the cruisers in fire power so do freak out and loose you mind
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# 6
04-07-2011, 01:59 PM
What is it with all the Tactical Ensign Hate?

The only class that has a problem with Tactical Ensign powers are Escorts. Because you are running higher tier powers as well and you can load up enough and be so specialized in your weaponry that you just couldn't fit an additional power in.

But even that problem is no longer an issue - Tactical Team is finally useful.

And it is useful on Cruisers as well. Sure, you also got a cooldown conflict with Engineering Team - but guess what, as long as your shields are up, you don't need Engineering Teams! And you don't actually need to load TT either. You can pick beam and torpedo boosting skills just fine.

Sure, of course a 2nd Lt.Cmdr slot instead of an Ensign slot would be powerful. But would it be balanced? Would it be justified? Or maybe you rather want to downgrade a Lt.Cmdr Engineer to Lt. and upgrade a Lt. Tactical to Lt.Cmdr, like the Excelsior? The only reason you think that is a good trade is because PvE is so easy that you don't need all that healing anyway. It isa good trade, but hardly a fair one...
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# 7
04-07-2011, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by matrix1701 View Post
I don't think you understand what I am saying so let me be real clear.....when I say get rid of the ensign slot I mean like Assault cruiser and Galaxy X you have BO slot tac for Lt and ensign....now what I am saying is I think that they should do away with the BO ensign slot and change the Lt. BO slot to Lt. Commander or Commander that is what I mean ........I just think top level cruiser's should have more fire options and not be so limited.....so to be clear again I do not think the ensign BO slot for the tac on the ship has no good use...you can add a Lt. Commander slot and still have 3 tac options it is just you will have better one's like being able to use Fire at Will III, High Yield III, or Beam over Load III instead of just being stuck with High Yield 1 or 2 you could use High Yield 3 or 2 I just think that would be better since cruisers threw out the game are given the same low level attack options....So again I think the top level cruisers should have a little more fire power options.....So I am sorry for not making my point better the first time I hope you all see were I am going this time and i am eager to hear what others think on this I have talked to many in STO who agree with this...And I know there are going to be those of you out there that are going to scream PVP PVP you are going to mess up PVP and I am just going to say now I don't think so in fact I think it is going to make it more competitive......Escorts are still going to out do the cruisers in fire power so do freak out and loose you mind
Paragraphs are great... Sufficed to say I didn't read the entirety of this post, and got to the part about having, essentially, the Ensign ability removed.

To put it plainly - Im still not seeing the point, and I did understand what you were saying.

A Lieutenant or Lt Commander still has an Ensign ability. Typically this is Beam Fire at Will or Tactical Team.

At Lt Commander, the only ability really worth considering on a cruiser is Torpedo High Yield 3.

What you are baiscally saying you want to do is remove a very useful ability from your arsenal (Either BFAW or TT, take your pick, because with only one ensign slot you cant have both) for something that is only marginally better than the High Yield ability you get from a Lieutenant.

I find far more utility in the second Ensign slot than I do from having a marginally better torpedo barrage. If you want the firepower increase you get from that, then fly a Retrofit. Ensign slots are great for giving you a boost to secondary systems, and if asked to pick between losing that Ensign ability to gain an improved ability of what I already have, and outright flexibility, Ill pick flexibility every day of the week.

Besides, if you are in to tactical specialization that much - you shouldnt be flying a cruiser. You should be in an Escort. The reason half of the people on STO fly cruisers is so they can be jacks of all trades. That is what the cruiser is for, and it makes no sense to remove that from them.
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# 8
04-07-2011, 11:44 PM
To put it plainly - Im still not seeing the point, and I did understand what you were saying.

Dam how do I get any clearer do you even use a Assault cruiser or Galaxy X??? do I need to draw a pitcher.....The assault cruiser has a BO Ensign slot and a Lt. BO slot I am saying they need to do away with the Ensign BO slot and change the Lt. BO slot to Lt. Commander or Commander BO slot......I am not saying get ride of the ensign ability all together JUST THE ENSIGN BO SLOT on the Galaxy X and Assault Cruiser....now if you still do not get it I don't now how else to say it.....And for the other guy the escort is fine the way it is I know I use them a lot as well and NOTHING needs to be done with them......They have more firepower then any other ship class in STO so get over it....I do just fine using a Escort...it is the cruiser that needs a little more fire power forgo the need for a Lt Commander or Commander BO slot
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# 9
04-08-2011, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by matrix1701 View Post
I think on the Galaxy X and the Assault that the Ensign slot should be take off and there should be just a Lt. Commander or Commander slot. The Ensign slot has no useful purpose and is not needed.....I just feel that it need's to be taken off and something more useful should be put there
If your ensign slot has no purpose that just means you're doing it wrong. Trading a level 1 ability for a level 3 ability simply put isn't balanced what so ever in the grand scheme of things unless you loose stuff somewhere else. Balancing is about give and take. Not just give.
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# 10
04-08-2011, 06:20 AM
He is saying that the Galaxy X and the Assault Cruiser has ;
BOff layout
COM- Eng
LTC- Eng
LT-Sci
LT- Tac
ENS- Tac

should look like this;
COM- Eng
LTC- Eng
LT-Sci
LTC - Tac or COM- Tac


in which case I would like the Vor'cha Battle Cruiser (which is a clone of the Assualt Cruiser in BOff layout)
should have a;

COM- Eng
LTC- Eng
LT-Sci
LTC - Tac or COM- Tac

layout as well. As long as we are asking for the Sun and the Moon, that is.:p
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