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# 1 fair or exploit?
04-04-2011, 05:39 PM
While in Ker'ret doing the daily tonight, I had a couple of klinks in BoP get right next to me, decloaked, fired cannons, fired tricobalt torp, then I blew up. My question is, is that fair? To me it seems like a way to drive players away from the zone. Granted, I know it's a pvp zone, or a sorta pvp zone, but that just seems wrong that they can do that. Since the devs don't seem to care about players ganking & driving other players out of a zone which stops them from getting there emblems for the over priced ships in the c-store (if that's your goal) isn't right. I was in my sov ship with power on the shields which makes them 125/100. To have them dropped that fast then get blown up by a torp is annoying. I want the emblems which means I have to go in there if I want those 3. I saw players leaving because of these 2 klinks killing them like that. Can't even finish the daily because of it. Battle cloaks should be twiked some to make them a little bit fairer in pvp. Maybe after they decloak they can't fire weapons for 1 or 2 secs.


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# 2
04-04-2011, 05:43 PM
There is no need for flamiing, lol. Truth be told it does smart a bit when one gets pwned like that. We've all been there and it isn't just the Klinks who can pull it off. The thing is, when someone enters an open PVP zone they pretty much accept that they can be a target. The idea is to come ready to play either with the right set up or some support of your own and make the best of it.

Besides, there are a number of other ways to get emblems if the risk of getting teamed up on isn't worth it. To the point, no it isn't an exploit and yes it is fair. ^^
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# 3
04-04-2011, 05:58 PM
Yes its fair, any one in any ship with a cloak (see Defiant) could have done that not just the Bird of Prey.

Having full power to shields dose give a resist but not a large resist you would have been shot through by anyone sneaking up on you.

The point of a cloaked attack is to win quickly, if you survive the advantage moves to the cruiser with each second that passes.

The KDF has the same objectives in kerat as the Feds, if they want to win the round they shoot you.
So you could have still completed the daily even if the KDF win the rounds.

The moral of the story: when in the open pvp zone expect to get shot at by people - dont cry just play the game.
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# 4
04-04-2011, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by McItoshi View Post
Yes its fair, any one in any ship with a cloak (see Defiant) could have done that not just the Bird of Prey.

Having full power to shields dose give a resist but not a large resist you would have been shot through by anyone sneaking up on you.

The point of a cloaked attack is to win quickly, if you survive the advantage moves to the cruiser with each second that passes.

The KDF has the same objectives in kerat as the Feds, if they want to win the round they shoot you.
So you could have still completed the daily even if the KDF win the rounds.

The moral of the story: when in the open pvp zone expect to get shot at by people - dont cry just play the game.
i wouldnt say it's fair to be killed befor you can do anything of note. ok so both factions have ships that can do it, thats not the point. maybe a 10 sec cool down on torps after decloak would make it a bit fairer.
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# 5
04-04-2011, 06:18 PM
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i wouldnt say it's fair to be killed befor you can do anything of note. ok so both factions have ships that can do it, thats not the point. maybe a 10 sec cool down on torps after decloak would make it a bit fairer.
Aww, but then playing as a Klingon in a BoP wouldn't be half as fun

I got tired of BoPs in Kerrat as a fed, so I rolled my own KDF toon and joined them

If you can't beat them...
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# 6
04-04-2011, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Krowseye
While in Ker'ret doing the daily tonight, I had a couple of klinks in BoP get right next to me, decloaked, fired cannons, fired tricobalt torp, then I blew up. My question is, is that fair? To me it seems like a way to drive players away from the zone. Granted, I know it's a pvp zone, or a sorta pvp zone, but that just seems wrong that they can do that. Since the devs don't seem to care about players ganking & driving other players out of a zone which stops them from getting there emblems for the over priced ships in the c-store (if that's your goal) isn't right. I was in my sov ship with power on the shields which makes them 125/100. To have them dropped that fast then get blown up by a torp is annoying. I want the emblems which means I have to go in there if I want those 3. I saw players leaving because of these 2 klinks killing them like that. Can't even finish the daily because of it. Battle cloaks should be twiked some to make them a little bit fairer in pvp. Maybe after they decloak they can't fire weapons for 1 or 2 secs.


Not let the flaming begin.
yes, there are Klingons and Federation players who go into Kerrat to kill the other side. It is an open pvp arena, after all.

the fact that two BoPs decloaked and destroyed you, and the fact that you're asking this question, shows that you are not a pvp-er and you haven't played against BoPs controlled by humans.

Almost all BoPs are built to decloak and perform an alpha-strike on an opponent; it is the BoPs best tactic.
I can do the same thing in my defiant or my BoP: load up 7-10 attack buffs, decloak, and destroy a target.

I cannot see how players playing their ships they way they are meant to be played could be an exploit.

Next time you go into kerrat, may I suggest one copy of rsp for when they decloak, as well as going in with full aux power? that would let you see them while cloaked and let you survive their attack. as soon as their attack buffs run out, you can pound away at them.

If you are beaten in pvp, try a different strategy instead of complaining about it. i realize that sounds harsh, and i don't mean it that way, but you are effectively complaining about being beaten and instead of finding a way around their advantage, you are suggesting we nerf Klings. Again.

Look, I play both sides, with all character classes, and i can tell you that both sides are fairly evenly matched. Don't suggest nerfing a faction in pvp unless you know what you are talking about.

I truly do not mean any insult, and you must forgive my harsh tone. I simply can't figure out a way to explain this any better, and that is my failing.
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# 7
04-04-2011, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Krowseye
While in Ker'ret doing the daily tonight, I had a couple of klinks in BoP get right next to me, decloaked, fired cannons, fired tricobalt torp, then I blew up. My question is, is that fair? To me it seems like a way to drive players away from the zone. Granted, I know it's a pvp zone, or a sorta pvp zone, but that just seems wrong that they can do that. Since the devs don't seem to care about players ganking & driving other players out of a zone which stops them from getting there emblems for the over priced ships in the c-store (if that's your goal) isn't right. I was in my sov ship with power on the shields which makes them 125/100. To have them dropped that fast then get blown up by a torp is annoying. I want the emblems which means I have to go in there if I want those 3. I saw players leaving because of these 2 klinks killing them like that. Can't even finish the daily because of it. Battle cloaks should be twiked some to make them a little bit fairer in pvp. Maybe after they decloak they can't fire weapons for 1 or 2 secs.


Not let the flaming begin.
Keep EPTS up as much as possible. You are in a warzone and can be attacked at anytime. Run with friends, they can watch your back.
Speaking as a Klingon many is the time I have been in Ker'ret and have been too busy evading one group of feds while the rest of them complete the mission. I can't even get a good ganking in.
In fact, since eveyone starts the mission at the same zone in but only the klingons respawn there, a good fed team can keep it locked down and by the time you can get away from the team at the spawn point the mission is completed.
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# 8
04-04-2011, 06:42 PM
Klingons have it a lot worse than you might think...if you take a team of 5 Klingons vs. a team of 5 feds, and depending on what they're flying, the feds are more likely to win. Birds of prey only have it easy for a few seconds, as soon as their initial attack is over, they usually have to run or be blown up in seconds. Next time you go into Kerrat and find yourself surrounded by Klingons, respawn and hit tactical team. It will keep your shields up while they hit you with photonic shockwave, and then just run towards the Borg. It's likely that they won't follow, and if they do, a fellow fed usually comes and lends a hand. I love watching BoPs turn tail and run, especially when they get chased down by escorts and blown to bits .
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# 9
04-04-2011, 06:54 PM
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i wouldnt say it's fair to be killed befor you can do anything of note. ok so both factions have ships that can do it, thats not the point. maybe a 10 sec cool down on torps after decloak would make it a bit fairer.
That idea is just adorable, lol. Keep 'em coming!
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# 10
04-04-2011, 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krowseye
While in Ker'ret doing the daily tonight, I had a couple of klinks in BoP get right next to me, decloaked, fired cannons, fired tricobalt torp, then I blew up. My question is, is that fair? To me it seems like a way to drive players away from the zone. Granted, I know it's a pvp zone, or a sorta pvp zone, but that just seems wrong that they can do that. Since the devs don't seem to care about players ganking & driving other players out of a zone which stops them from getting there emblems for the over priced ships in the c-store (if that's your goal) isn't right. I was in my sov ship with power on the shields which makes them 125/100. To have them dropped that fast then get blown up by a torp is annoying. I want the emblems which means I have to go in there if I want those 3. I saw players leaving because of these 2 klinks killing them like that. Can't even finish the daily because of it. Battle cloaks should be twiked some to make them a little bit fairer in pvp. Maybe after they decloak they can't fire weapons for 1 or 2 secs.
Unfortunately its legal, just unethical in taking advantage of others in a vulnerable state.

IMHO, I am glad Cryptic decided to get rid of the War Zones in turn for something better.
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