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# 1 Prometheus Should be a Cruiser
05-29-2011, 06:27 PM
This has been bugging me for a while now. In the Voyager Series, the Prometheus was most clearly and certainly a cruiser. It was about the same size as a Nebula Class and they are very large ships. Its main advantage was its MVA mode.

At the very least, the Promeheus should fall under a Multi Skill. Peeps should be able to fly it using Cruiser or Escort skill.
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# 2
05-29-2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Death_JesterUK
This has been bugging me for a while now. In the Voyager Series, the Prometheus was most clearly and certainly a cruiser. It was about the same size as a Nebula Class and they are very large ships. Its main advantage was its MVA mode.

At the very least, the Promeheus should fall under a Multi Skill. Peeps should be able to fly it using Cruiser or Escort skill.
This one is up there with the old posts that wanted the Intrepid to be an escort or the Sovereign to be an escort as well. The question of validity is moot as it really doesn't matter because it's not going to happen, Cryptic is not going to alter their tier system.
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# 3
05-29-2011, 10:34 PM
Depending on which source you use, the Prometheus is a little over 400m long, a similar size to the Akira. Admittedly, the Nebula is also listed as about 450m long, but in-game its similar in size to a Galaxy, which is listed as around 600m long. So they probably oversized the Nebula in-game.

The other thing to consider is that the Prometheus was designed as a warship, similar to how the Defiant was designed as a warship. But Starfleet doesn't actually use warships (they're primarially exploration and peacekeeping), so Fed warships are designated escorts.

I personally prefer to see the Akira and Prometheus as destroyers rather than cruisers. Fast, maneuverable, lots of weapons, more suited for combat. It also explains why they're larger than Cruisers (Miranda and Constitution) - the line between modern cruisers and destroyers is very blurred. So ships for combat are escorts, ships for exploration are cruisers.
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# 4
05-30-2011, 03:54 AM
The Promethius is just fine as an Escort. As pointed out above, the Defiant and the Promethius are the only ships Starfleet made specifically for combat. It could be argued that the Saber, Norway, Akira and Steamrunner were also built for combat, but not to the degree that the Defiant and Promethius were.
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# 5
05-30-2011, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NeilCell View Post
The Promethius is just fine as an Escort. As pointed out above, the Defiant and the Promethius are the only ships Starfleet made specifically for combat. It could be argued that the Saber, Norway, Akira and Steamrunner were also built for combat, but not to the degree that the Defiant and Promethius were.
Indeed... The "most canon" texts I have been able to find specifically categorize the Sabers, Akira and Norways as hardcore Escorts, while the Defiant and Prommie are pure warships... Nothing more, nothing less.

Categorizing the prometheus as a Carrier is kinda ... an odd idea... And the "multi class" idea seems odd too as there would have to be made several alterations to the ship both in terms of weapons layout and hull strength... It DOES hav the Sci thing thoug, buuuuutttt....
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# 6
05-31-2011, 06:58 AM
Well we'd run out of escorts prety soon.
IMO the Akira is a cruiser too. Basicly, the nebula and the Titan are cruisers.... The NX class that almost didnt have weapons at all when she left for Space the first time is, for sure, not an escort. Thats most likley because most ships in Star Trek were cruisers.
But since we have 3 categorys here we need ships that fit into the other categorys, and the Prometheus... like the Akira, Nebula ect ect ect are fine where they are.
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# 7
05-31-2011, 09:34 AM
Interestingly enough, the Heavy Cruiser is the exact same size as the Advanced Escort. They are also similar in that both have four engines. Yet, same size ship, similar layout, the Cruiser handles like a Cruiser (not too bad, but still slow) while the Escort is an Escort.

Personally, I feel that's the difference between a T3 Cruiser and a T5 Escort. The Prometheus is designed to be fast and manueverable, with a wedge-shaped design, while the Cheyenne has more of a "hefty" feel. The Prometheus probably has additional manuevering thrusters and is made of lighter materials.

Plus, the whole point of the Multi-Vector Assault Mode is that it DOES get smaller, it breaks down from one large Escort into three smaller, more manueverable Escorts.

The interesting thing is that the Heavy Escort, the Akira, is even LARGER. It is the largest of the Escorts. However, it is nowhere near the size of an Exploration Cruiser or Star Cruiser, and doesn't even compare to the Deep Space or Reconnasaince Science Vessel.

Being "big" does not make a ship a Cruiser, any more than being "small" makes a ship an Escort. That's true in general, but you can't just compare one ship to another and say, "this should be a cruiser".
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# 8
06-03-2011, 08:36 PM
Really Cryptic needs to make it more than just Escort, Cruiser, and Science Ships.

It needs to be:

Escorts
Tactical Cruisers
Cruisers
Science Cruisers
Science Ships

The Prometheus and Akira fits perfectly in the role of a Tactical Cruiser.
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# 9
06-03-2011, 11:15 PM
Cryptic could remove all together any of these silly ideas about cruisers and heavy cruisers and light cruisers and Tactical cruisers ect ect ....

Remove all ship classes from the game,

Add a spot on the skill tree for EVERY single ship in the game. Make no points from lower tiers count for the ship your flying... Remove X # of skill points at end game to even up the point spend.

This would also help them sell repsecs... as more people would burn there respecs they earn leveling, instead of waiting to full level to spec out of the lower tier ships.
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# 10
06-09-2011, 11:27 AM
i just watched the episode of voyager that it was in and the computer said "experimental prototype designed for deep space tactical assignments" sounds like and escort class to me.
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