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# 11
05-06-2011, 09:57 PM
You know.. I used to fly and enjoy Carriers.. then this happened:

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Originally Posted by Jexsam View Post
Fire At Will called, wanted to let you know that Carriers are garbage now.
After they tried to improve Faw, and went way to far with it, Carriers now need more then 1 to even get PETS on the field. And even THEN there are at least 2 people per team, pug or not, that is using FAW. Weither it's a FAW ship (More then 1 Copy) Or a ship that just has it for mine/spam clearing, it is the reason why carriers are fielded less and less.

Honestly, I'm not expecting Carriers to even get a buff again until season.. 6.. Because it was at least 2-3 seasons till Carriers got the buff they rightfully deserved before a universal tactical skill ruined it for all of us.

So trust me when I tell you Carriers are not the OP ships you think they are, the Pilots of carriers that have taken the time to play said carrier, and learn how to keep that ship going even in these hard times, is.

Don't blaim the game.. Blaim the player. Playa.
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# 12
05-06-2011, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by raaven616 View Post
Please... I've played the game since early launch...

When you have five fed players that just come together out of the draw for the purpose of pvp that go against KDF players that either as a premade group or not, the odds are stacked in the favor of KDF.

You can argue all you want that they aren't but really they are.. Launching all those drones vs on top of the original five KDF ships which I have no doubt are armored up to the gills with engineering stuff.. and I don't blame that.. hell I would too, but the DPS put out by the KDF vs that of just five fed ships just can't not be compared. Five KDF ships.. plus Drones, against five Fed players.. there's no chance of winning for the feds really.

Call it what you want... qq or whatever your staple of words can hold.. thats the fact. If both factions can load up on the same weapons cross board, then give both factions the same style of ship class. Currently both feds and KDF have cruisers, assault ships, heavy cruisers sci ships or similar with the exception of Carrier Class vessels. Give us the Carrier Class vessels with drones and see where the QQ comes from then.
Length of time played does not a better player make. I hope you'll come to terms with that.
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# 13
05-06-2011, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Data
I will give the OP this most KDF ships are specced and geared towards PvP. Right now most fed ships have adequate PvE builds that short bus worthy in PvP. It isn't the KDF ships it is the fed capts, I mean most like most of the team.
The KDF only has 4 Ships in Tier 5 PVP that are unique to the KDF:

B'rel Retrofit
Hegh'ta Bird of Prey
Kar'fi Battle Carrier
Vor'quv Carrier

The Federation has 7 Ships currently that are Unique to their faction:

MVAM Escort
Advanced Escort
D'kyr Deep Space Science Vessel
Nebula Deep Space Science Vessel Retrofit
"Voyager" Retrofit
Recon Science Vessel
Excelsior-R

The following are Copies of each other, in concerns to BO lay outs and classificiation:

Deep Space Science vessel - Varanus
Dreadnaught/Assault Cruiser - Vor'cha - Retrofit
Star Cruiser - Marauder
Defiant-R - Raptor
Fleet Escort - Garumba
Galaxy-R - Negh'Var

Each ship, regardless of faction can be geared and used pretty well in PVP Terms depending on the BO Build and equipment you out fit the ship with. Some ships excel in ways their Copies don't. Others that are more unique are quite over powered in terms of either BO abilities associated to that ship, or special effects that make them so. Carriers were in the classification of being quite powerful until FAW changed that. And until FAW gets reworked, Carriers will be back on the bottom of the Pile in that respect.

Also, I would like to point out that nearly all PVP builds are quite viable in PVE, and tend to do well, if not some times better then some PVE only builds.
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# 14
05-06-2011, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Data
I will give the OP this most KDF ships are specced and geared towards PvP. Right now most fed ships have adequate PvE builds that short bus worthy in PvP. It isn't the KDF ships it is the fed capts, I mean most like most of the team.
Honestly with the double xp wknd there are lots of brand new kdf generals that barely have any pvp experience, if at all. It really shows in some matches. Not their fault cause the most effective way to get a kling up is through cluster pve.

And really, all one needs in spave pve is shield balance and spacebar. Shield balance the situational skill.
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# 15
05-06-2011, 10:54 PM
Ok lets say for argument sake that we'll fall on the statement that ships don't make the pvp its the captains.

As I said before.. because there is such a wide imbalance of ship dps and strngth of ship more people (players) have gone to the KDF leaving just a fragment of fed players.. of those.. and I count myself one of those oooo so few, pvp... and I mean thats all I do is pvp..

the other 90 percent are topped with pve...

I still think and I'm sorry you won't shake it from me... the KDF has more to offer in pvp than feds do... thats just the way of it.
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# 16
05-06-2011, 11:15 PM
LOL play one... just one match vs Special Operations Group. I doubt you will still be complaining about klink ships.

I will turn off the Forum PvP mode fore a sec... please understand I ask to try to help you.

How long have you been playing PvP ?
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# 17
05-07-2011, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Husanak View Post
LOL play one... just one match vs Special Operations Group. I doubt you will still be complaining about klink ships.

I will turn off the Forum PvP mode fore a sec... please understand I ask to try to help you.

How long have you been playing PvP ?
For this game? since pre launch.

I've got others I've played... currently SOE's DCUO has been shut down for a week now... I'm cancelling the subscript though..

Anyways... Its late and I'm probably just making an arse of myself right now as tired as I am. I don't mean to step on people's toes here, but I know what I see from what I've played to include changing ships and crew. Suffice it to say.. as it was stated earlier.. FEDs for the most part gear their ships for PVE because I can see thats what the do most of... (Dummies) then come pvp time they are just sucking wind and letting those of us who chose to pvp on a daily basis end up with egg on our face. For my part I'm a VA Tac officer commanding a Science ship. I do pretty damn good and I'd take my ship up against any others, but those carriers.. I think Feds should have access to those as well. Thats just me.. don't bite my head off.
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# 18
05-07-2011, 12:30 AM
This might have been a valid point pre New Faw™, but now? Carriers are mostly ... not doing so well.

Anyways, this game's all about teamwork etc anyways.. We beat a 4 man carrier team the other day.. without FaW. Just trying to make a point.
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# 19
05-07-2011, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by raaven616 View Post
Ok lets say for argument sake that we'll fall on the statement that ships don't make the pvp its the captains.

As I said before.. because there is such a wide imbalance of ship dps and strngth of ship more people (players) have gone to the KDF leaving just a fragment of fed players.. of those.. and I count myself one of those oooo so few, pvp... and I mean thats all I do is pvp..

the other 90 percent are topped with pve...

I still think and I'm sorry you won't shake it from me... the KDF has more to offer in pvp than feds do... thats just the way of it.
To be honest.. I have to wonder how often you go into Ker'rat.. if ever.. Because that zone says the exact opposite.

Of course it could also be the time of day.. Or just wierd days where there might be more Klingons on at that moment.

I just don't see it other wise.
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# 20
05-07-2011, 12:44 AM
Since they bumped up the FAW specs, I ain't skeered of the klink carriers no more.

I'm thinking the OP is a typical Fed player: won't be responsible for inviting everyone into a team; if he does join a team, has no idea of how to focus fire, or ask others to focus fire, or if he does understand focusing fire still goes for the big ships first and the squishies last. It can be very frustrating out there.
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