I just recently learned of this thread, even though I don't play KDF, I think it is important that the story stay straight. I think some of the secondary commentary with the links might be a bit inflammatory, which might not help garner much Fed support for the KDF, but to each their own.
I think PF, in regards to your comments about being surprised to still be here, while you do sometimes seem to come off harsh, you also seem willing to engage in meaningful dialog and give credit where it is due.
I wonder, given that time just ran out and it wasn't going to be possible to get a full PvE KDF in by launch, do player think it would have been better to just delay the KDF faction for later as opposed to the attempt to make it Monsterplay? Or maybe monsterplay could have been implemented better to make it not feel so grindy while PvE content was developed?
Personally, I'm afraid that the KDF is permanently tainted, and no matter how good it gets there will always some level of bitterness, and that, in my mind, it kind of a sad footnote for what might still be.
Personally, I'm afraid that the KDF is permanently tainted, and no matter how good it gets there will always some level of bitterness, and that, in my mind, it kind of a sad footnote for what might still be.
I think there is some truth to this. It kind of gets back to that quote from Jack, I think it was Jack. If it wasn't in the game at launch, they might as well not put it in later. There are a lot of Klingon players that quit that won't ever come back no matter what is done at this point.
I think there is some truth to this. It kind of gets back to that quote from Jack, I think it was Jack. If it wasn't in the game at launch, they might as well not put it in later. There are a lot of Klingon players that quit that won't ever come back no matter what is done at this point.
Here are his most recent statements in that regard:
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Coming into the launch of STO and Champions, I made sure we had something for everyone. Here was the problem. By following that philosophy, nothing was polished. We ended up having lots of half-done features in some quarters.
What I forgot was, inasmuch as a consumer or a player, if it isn't there at launch it might as well not be there, well if it's in half-done or half-done well, that's what you get remembered for. The fact that STO and Champions have gotten better since their launch, we've added content, we've fixed bugs, we've responded to players, all that stuff isn't as important or as forceful as that initial interaction with the game.
Pretty much he's saying that even though they have improved things, the initial state of the game is whats going to be remembered. And since they cant go back in time, people are always going to remember how bad the KDF faction launched and some will avoid it simply because of that.
Pretty much he's saying that even though they have improved things, the initial state of the game is whats going to be remembered. And since they cant go back in time, people are always going to remember how bad the KDF faction launched and some will avoid it simply because of that.
Yeah, that is what I was referencing. They kind of shot themselves in the foot with the Klingon faction by releasing it the way they did. Its gotten better, but it'll never match the Federation faction. A lot of players that preferred the Klingon faction that left over the state it was in won't be back no matter what they do.
This thread needs to be stickied for posterity. The author has gone to great lengths to reference all the points where the KDF was let down. This lack of attention is the reason why there are 54 unique Federation missions without counting patrols, diplomatic missions, and featured episodes, while the KDF has only 8 faction unique missions. We are told to wait while the devs are sucked off to work on Never Winter Nights. This should be stickied to remind the devs how they failed the KDF, and how not to repeat their mistakes with the Romulans (if they ever come out).
I don't think that the KDF will be "tainted" by its past unless the developers continue the cycle of neglect, how can a garden grow without a gardener to water it, pull the weeds, and prune it? In the same way how can the KDF grow without unique rewards and content to lure players to it?
Just when the race-change tokkens comes so I can change my Human looking (100% identical toon of my fed human) into an actual "human"^^
And why not... Why already have Klingon trill (although I believe they had to put them in because of legal issues...^^)
I thing (and I know I'm repeating myself... and I'll keep doing that) they should start to give us access to more already-ingame-stuff like mercanary costumes... and mirror universe costumes.... or anything not directly "starfleet" labled. (May be even the D'kyr).
IMO the major content problem is NOT the fact that to little gets made for the KDF. Be honest: there is not that much to make for the KDF. Star Trek was about the Federation and the Klingons were just guests now and then. Of course the to-do-list still is long since almost NOTHING has been made, but if for every third fed item one KDF item had been made there wouldnt be anything left to develop.. at last nothing that had been in the series.
So still.... the major problem is the exclusive fed content. Its the "Kdf gets content OR feds get content".... If that question comes up, the Feds always wins. Of course.
I think there are limits. The Featured Episodes are still not a reason to go KDF, as the differences between the stories are marginal. There must ultimately content on both sides that is unique to that faction and makes playing it "special".
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But this, IMO, is what causes that bad atmosphere arround here. Why not "We all get content?" It works for the Featured episodes, doesnt it?
Half of the costumes are civilian costumes. Did Seven of nines costume look like a Federation Uniform? Even that double-agent (I still dont know for who she ACTUALLY works) on Drozana wears it. Counelor Trois Outfit, Bajoran Uniforms... the so calles "Section 31 UNIFORMS"....
And races.... a lot of people wantet KDF-Ferengies... and why not? The Ferengie Marauder for both factions would work perfectly IMO, that was requestet a lot.
What about (upcoming) Andorian and Vulcan ships? Of course both are Federation species, but those ships are OBVIOUSLY no Starfleet-products. The most likely backstory is that Starfleet aquiered them from a civilian market. And that could Nausicans or Orions ar any mercenary working for the Klingons do as well.
And MAY BE not every detail makes absolute sense then. But does it make sense to you that almost every Federation officer wears another Uniform? Some of them over 200 years old? Some of them even from another Universe? No.
I still like this idea, because there is another problem with all the faction specific stuff - if you bought 20,000 Atari Tokens worth of Fed C-Store items, and can't use any of it on the KDF side, your incentive to go to the KDF isn't really high. You're losing more than you gain.
I still like this idea, because there is another problem with all the faction specific stuff - if you bought 20,000 Atari Tokens worth of Fed C-Store items, and can't use any of it on the KDF side, your incentive to go to the KDF isn't really high. You're losing more than you gain.
That is a good point, and another reason why the C-Store argument by Cryptic is a problem. Why would Federation players want to give up everything they have purchsed for their Federation characters? The fact that there isn't as much neutral costumes or Klingon faction skins in the C-Store actually hurts the chances of existing players trying the Klingon faction.
That is a good point, and another reason why the C-Store argument by Cryptic is a problem. Why would Federation players want to give up everything they have purchsed for their Federation characters? The fact that there isn't as much neutral costumes or Klingon faction skins in the C-Store actually hurts the chances of existing players trying the Klingon faction.
I dunno... are we saying that putting cool KDF gear in the C-Store will entice everybody to go Klingon?
One, it's still a demand issue. Is there enough demand to justify the development cycles that someone has to spend to put them there? Only Cryptic can truly guess the answer to that.
Two, what could you put in there that would be compelling enough to make people jump at it while not being too OP and unbalanced? If the B'Rel refit didn't increase the KDF population, can any C-Store item do it?
Of course, the B'rel was only available to high-level KDF characters... which given the content gaps means a whole lot of grinding just to get to the point where it was worth buying.
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