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# 11
05-30-2011, 10:23 AM
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Every single time something like that gets suggested, there's a small clique of federation zealots on the forums that band together and shoot that idea down in flames. Because, Oh-Em-Gee, nothing can get in the way of the dev team from releasing the latest uniform update (Section 31) or ship (Oberth). Putting any monkeywrenches in those plans and making them wait for maybe half the time people waited for KDF shoulderpads or a revamped Gorn, would obviously kill the game.



I think the changes to the D'Kyr that PFalcon points out pretty much highlight exactly what is wrong with the development of the Klingon faction.
Thanks for the acknowledgment Superchum! Sigh... It's unfortunate that the tendency of those Fed zealots is to behave that way, but at least I'm able to hold a reasonable and rational point of view in my head. Either way, if that kind of content update ever did happen, you can bet I'd be in full support of it even as a mostly Fed player. It's a shame that these zealots lack a connection to the Kala unlike some other zealots that I know. lol
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# 12 Track Record Galore
05-30-2011, 10:30 AM
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I mean really would anyone playing klink now suggest to a friend that just got here to role a klink ?
Nope

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Anyway, nice post Peregrine_Falcon.
Its and appalling read, well done!

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PS anyone thinking they are honestly working a Romulan Faction at this point.... lol
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# 13
05-30-2011, 11:09 AM
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As the memory of launch day fades into history I've started to see more and more misinformation being posted about the Empire, its past, and things that were supposedly said. In an effort to set the record straight, and see that it remains that way, I present this timeline of the Klingon Empire during its time with Cryptic Studios.


Pre-Launch - The Mesospeculative Era

July 28th, 2008 - Cryptic officially announces Star Trek Online

August 10th, 2008 - At Gen Con Jack Emmert says: "Starfleet and Klingon. Yeah. So two factions, full PvE content."
Between that statement by Jack Emmert on August 10th, 2008, and his announcement on December 15th, 2009 that Klingons were a PvP oriented faction, there was nothing that led us to believe they weren't going to have "full PvE content."

August 25th, 2008 - ASK CRYPTIC: Zinc: "The universe of Star Trek Online is shaped and changed by the actions of the players. The Federation and the Klingon Empire will be competing for influence and resources throughout the galaxy and players can influence the results through PvP battles and a system we're calling Competitive PvE."
Still waiting for that competitive PvE by the way.

September 16th, 2008 - In an interview in Game Informer Magazine Craig Zinkievich said that no matter which faction you're in, you don't have to "go and get owned by somebody else", i.e. PvP.
While it's been quoted in several places, the text of this interview was never put online by Game Informer Magazine to my knowledge.

April 30th, 2009 - ASK CRYPTIC: "...for example if youíre Klingon and your friend is Federation and the Borg are attacking, youíre probably going to form an alliance against them. Youíre going to see all kinds of weird alliances within the game."
Weird alliances huh? Yep. I'm really looking forward to that.

May 30th, 2009 - Craig Zinkievich (Zinc), STO's Executive Producer posts: "There will be PvP in STO. PvP will be consensual. If you don't want to do it, you will never have to."
Nothing to indicate that Klingons are PvP oriented.

June 23rd, 2009 - ASK CRYPTIC: "In general, thereís more PvP involvement on the Klingon side of the game."
Notice how he did not say - Klingons are PvP only. He said Klingons have "more PvP involvement." Implying that there's at least some PvE. This still doesn't invalidate Jack Emmert's "full PvE" comment.

July 21st, 2009 - ASK CRYPTIC: "No one ever said Klingons donít have scientists or engineers; somebody built those ships. Klingons will probably have a few distinctions in skills and certain other areas, but the classes will be the same."
Still nothing to indicate that Klingons are PvP only.

In September of 2009, barely five months before game launch, we started getting some hints that Klingons would be 'PvP focused.' This was finally confirmed in this interview with Eurogamer.

October 9th, 2009 - Craig Zinkievich: "Yes! We plan on shipping with the ability to play as Federation and play on the Klingon side. The Klingon game play is going to be drastically different to the Federation game play. It's going to be a lot more focused on PvP; their advancement is a little bit different - it is not a full-on story-driven game like the Federation."
He then went on to assure us that; "It's a lot more than Monster Play." Later that same day, in response to a thread about that interview, is when we first found out that the KDF wouldn't have a tutorial at launch.

October 9th 2009 - Rekhan: "We opted to create a single tutorial due to time constraints."

October 22nd, 2009 - CLOSED BETA officially announced, and some people were a bit worried because Klingons weren't in it. Towards the end there were quite a few threads demanding the devs release detailed info on the KDF, most ended up getting locked and/or deleted.

Nov 9th, 2009 - Klingon testing - The Grand Nagus: "Seeing as its now official the game will be launching in less than 3 months, maybe its time we start testing the Klingon faction?"

Nov 18th, 2009 - The devs still refused to say anything. IRC Chat: <Cryptic_Stormshade> "More info on Klingons and PvP is coming very soon."

Nov 30th, 2009 - So, About Those Klingons - If only Trent Solace had known how right on the money his prediction was going to be.

December 1st, 2009 - It's confirmed that we were supposed to get Klingon info in December when StormShade posts; "You'll be hearing lots of Klingon info this month."

Decemeber 7th, 2009 - ASK CRYPTIC: "Even so, Episodes are just one of the ways to progress in the game. You can gain similar rewards by engaging in PvP or exploring Star Clusters."
A mere week before Jack Emmert broke the news to us and no mention of Klingons being 'PvP only' or 'PvP oriented' or 'PvP focused.'

December 15th, 2009 - Jack Emmert posted; "Believe it or not, December was supposed to "klingon" month. I have zero clue why it's Dec. 15th and still nothing, but I can tell you this WILL change (I just saw the threads yesterday)."
It wasn't until two days later that we finally got the Ask Cryptic that informed us that the KDF was going to launch with no PvE content.

December 15th, 2009 - Dstahl posts on the Closed Beta forums that the ability to test Klingon characters will be added on the December 17th patch

December 17th, 2009 - ASK CRYPTIC: "Your Klingon Captain can be a Science, Engineering or Tactical officer. However, they must advance through PvP, as they will not have access to the same amount of player-vs.-environment content as Federation players at launch."
That one page there comprised all of the info that we received during 'Klingon Month.'

December 17th, 2009 - Jack Emmert speaks to MMORPG.com about why Klingons are 'PvP-centric' at launch

January 11th, 2010 - CLOSED BETA ENDS

January 12th, 2010 - OPEN BETA - until January 26th, 2010

January 29th, 2010 - HEADSTART - until February 2nd, 2010


February 2nd, 2010 - GAME LAUNCH
  • The Klingon Empire has no PvE missions
  • No Joined Trill (that we paid extra for and were told would work KDF side)
  • No personal armor visuals
  • No kit visuals
  • No tricorders
  • No ship customization
  • No buff pets (like the Federation Tribbles)
  • No crafting
  • Incomplete TOS uniform, not that it mattered because we never got to see our bridge officers anyway
  • Half our bridge officer races are male only
  • Computer audio and transporter visuals are Starfleet ones, not KDF
  • I'm sure there's some more "no's" that I'm forgetting, but it's not monster play!
Awesome summary, especially for a newer Klink like me. / Salute

I hope a dev reads and responds
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# 14
05-30-2011, 11:24 AM
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PS anyone thinking they are honestly working a Romulan Faction at this point.... lol
Right now, I wouldn't be shocked if the Romulans were suddenly allied with the Federation, and D'deridex Warbirds made available in the C-Store for Fed players.
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# 15 so true...
05-30-2011, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by GreatBriton
Right now, I wouldn't be shocked if the Romulans were suddenly allied with the Federation, and D'deridex Warbirds made available in the C-Store for Fed players.
that it hurts.
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# 16
05-30-2011, 11:34 AM
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PS anyone thinking they are honestly working a Romulan Faction at this point.... lol
I bet they are and you'll get to choose between 3 different character models and only can fly a Warbird, probably with no missions or pvp options and only one sector block to fly in.
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# 17
05-30-2011, 11:40 AM
It is pretty bleak. Definitely a NO on the front page. (NCOER talk)
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# 18
05-30-2011, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Borg1.1.1
I hope a dev reads and responds
Oh they have:
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just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that.
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# 19
05-30-2011, 11:54 AM
here's a suggestion for the addition of Breens and Remans to the KDF playable species list

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...51#post3555951

14 UFP playable Species / 7KDF playable Species (c-store included)

3 Playable species shared by both faction (Joined Trill, 'Alien', KLINGON<exact traits as KDF klingon>)

11 UFP-unique playable species / 4 KDF-exclusive playable species

Only 1 of which has 'Female' gender option (you guessed it-Orions)


Let's make some History and give the Feds real incentive to play KDF right out of the box ...
er, character creator....
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# 20 epic /face palm
05-30-2011, 12:37 PM
LOL - epic. I need a smoke.
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