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# 51
06-01-2011, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE1701 View Post
I never said you weren't beatable I simply stated the fact that most pug groups would leave a match which included a 5 person premade team all on vent. I never had a "defeatist" attitude, I only think that having nothing but premade teams severely limits the people who want to play. You (not personally) leave out an entire segment of the PvP population that isn't dedicated to a PvP fleet. I only wish to include a large part of the community that isn't part of such good teams and does pug matches everyday.
because we are talking about a premade/people who know each other and are on a team with the idea of winning tourny, and you want a specific premade team to stay out of it, this tourny isnt being targeted at the "general" community, its being targeted at players who know how to work as a team and enjoy pvp as well (although i wont kick anyone who doesnt enjoy pvp out of the tourny i just dont understand why theyd par-take in the first place).

we werent talking about the entirety of pvp, just this tourny.

in regular non-tourny pvp matchs, we dont enjoy all our wins, but we do enjoy playing with each other. so we play with each more often then playing alone.

it sounds like you dont like running into premades, well i'm sorry but thats also part of the game as i see it, what are those groups of friends (who happen to be good) supposed to do then? there have been countless threads suggesting a seperate que system etc etc, i sugguest you post there rather then this thread which is about a team tourny where premades are 99% sure to show up (due to the limited slots).
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# 52
06-01-2011, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by thamupp View Post
Uhm... I dont think we'll see PUGs in a Premade tounry?
I never said all pug, just split the teams up. I hadn't realized this was a fleet v. fleet tourny is all. I'm not a part of a PvP fleet so I wouldn't really "fit" with the 5 person premades that are already ready.
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# 53
06-01-2011, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE1701 View Post
I never said all pug, just split the teams up. I hadn't realized this was a fleet v. fleet tourny is all. I'm not a part of a PvP fleet so I wouldn't really "fit" with the 5 person premades that are already ready.
Its not a "fleet vrs fleet" tourny, its open to anyone who has a team of 4 meets the rules and gets in before the spots are gone. If fleets happen to be in it that's fine, if a group of strangers want to partake I say go for it. There's a whole week to practice if needed/wanted. If you're not part of a fleet, no problem like I said get a few more people to gether (I recall seeing one engineer already looking for a team) enter before the deadline/spots fill and have fun. If you don't think you'll be having fun then don't enter. Its as simple as that. Wait till we run the next one (if this is popular) or wait till we give the randome playerpool a shot in the future.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh or anything but it sounded as if you were trolling. I appologize if I came off as hostile.
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# 54
06-01-2011, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by matteo716 View Post
I'm sorry if I sounded harsh or anything but it sounded as if you were trolling. I appologize if I came off as hostile.
I would love to participate and you were not hostile at all I just wanted to express my concern that the matches may end up if only slightly one sided.But then again, what PvP matches aren't? Again I have no idea who has signed up already nor any hostility to any of the teams out there for I have the utmost respect for those coordinated enough to do a good job. Hope this clears things up.
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# 55
06-01-2011, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE1701 View Post
I never said all pug, just split the teams up. I hadn't realized this was a fleet v. fleet tourny is all. I'm not a part of a PvP fleet so I wouldn't really "fit" with the 5 person premades that are already ready.
its a 4 man thing so that should make it much easier. There are a handful of other very good mainly pug players, or guys that are in fleets that don't have the population to do even a 4 man. Consider linking up with some of those guys. I bet it wouldn't be much harder then asking in OrgPvP if 3 other guys are interested. Then decide who is playing what role. The rules pretty much force you into a small handful of approved ship / team setups. If you or one of the other guys doesn't have a vent server I bet if you ask nicely in OrgPvP someone would lend you a channel for the comp, perhaps even for some practice. Good Luck, I hope you can pull a couple guys together.
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# 56
06-01-2011, 03:40 PM
I would love to signup, but weekends I am usually busy (family life).
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# 57
06-01-2011, 05:10 PM
Our Feedback:

We are talking about entering because this sounds like it will be a lot of fun. Its the first time Ive felt like something can be really fun, but we have some concerns.... we feel that you guys should come up with a different, but fair ship layout for Klingons. We're totally digging the restrictions and thinking outside the standard layout, and I realize we might be the only Kling team, so it may only apply to us...however, the current layout and the combinations you can make with Klings makes us feel like we might as well play feds, and arent capturing the spirit of the faction.

Right away, 2 out of 4 ships are going to be Klingon versions of fed ships. 1 has to be the Craptor and 1 has to be a fed cruiser clone (alternatively, 2 raptors). From there you select 2 ships from B...since hazards/transfer/sci teams are required, and youre stuck with 1 cruiser and 1 escort, youre pretty much forced to take the dedicated sci ship to fill the void instead of taking multiples of hybrids (such as the Karfi), so thats another choice. So now theres 3 out of 4 ships that are feds. From there you take another sci ship (which is a full fed team), a karfi or a bird of prey.

Overall Id argue that the Klingon faction isnt simply "cruiser/sci/escort", but instead, like always, klingon players have to be hybrids. If you want to specialize, you might as well play feds as there is a ship for every situation. The most obvious point here is that the Raptor is considered one of, if not the, worst ship in the game. It has no synergy with the other ships on the Klingon faction outside of playing a direct fed clone team (again, in which case you might as well play fed with the superior ships).

This is mostly for the future though if more of these are to be held. For this one in the short run we're thinking maybe you guys can add *any* other Klingon ship (the one you deem the absolute worst). Otherwise we're just going to run a team of 3 - yes, the raptor is so bad that we'd rather be down a player than have to baby sit one.

Cheers.
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# 58
06-01-2011, 05:16 PM
A bit melodramatic, no?

The issue is less that Raptors suck and more that all escorts suck compared to the stinking OP MVAM.
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# 59
06-01-2011, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
A bit melodramatic, no?

The issue is less that Raptors suck and more that all escorts suck compared to the stinking OP MVAM.
No the raptor is by far the worst ship in the game that I have tried (though I havent tried the guramba yet, hard to see how it could fail so bad though).

Everyone claims its the same as the defiant give or take, but its simply not, it feels all wrong, it doesnt turn as well, and it has less shields. Yes you can stick an rcs in the extra engineering slot, but it still doesnt turn as well.
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# 60
06-01-2011, 06:09 PM
Fed escorts are fine because escorts are part of the Fed equation. Klingons, as proven by the last 15 months, do not use escorts, because they dont fit into the puzzle. They force you to be restrictive of the other ships you take - which would be more defensive to make up for the utter garbage that is the Raptor. But Klingons are naturally more offensive (klingons attack fed defense castle).

There is no exaggerating about the Raptor. We feel we could make a better core 3 man team applying the strengths of the faction than take the Craptor and have the other ships be forced into supporting it.
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