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# 11
06-02-2011, 08:50 AM
Liked it.
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# 12
06-02-2011, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuatela
The Intrepid retrofit's stats are as follows:
Turn Rate: 12
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia rating: 50

Since the Nova is a smaller ship, it stands to reason it would accelerate and turn faster (similar to how the Defiant can outmaneuver any other ship in the fleet).
All Retrofits have the exact same Turn Rate and Impulse Modifier as the ship that is being refit. So by that logic the Nova Retrofit's Turn Rate, Impulse Modifier, and Inertia should be the same as the Nova:
Turn Rate: 14
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia rating: 60

However, the Retrofits also have the same crew as the original, so the Nova's crew would be 100, compared to the 200 of the Intrepid. I suppose it could be argued that since the Nova is such a low tier, its turn rate could be lowered from 14 to 13, but the B'Rel is an even lower tier, and it loses no turn rate at all. So no dev developed ship so far supports this argument, no matter how reasonable it may sound.

The only Retrofits that have a different Inertia are the Galaxy Retrofit (15 instead of 20) and Defiant Retrofit (60 instead of 70)

While the Nova may be overpowered with such a high turn rate, the same has already been said of the Excelsior. It seems like this is an argument better taken up with the devs.

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Let's look at the "free ships" that are also C-store ships, shall we?
(Tier 4) Galaxy Retrofit - C-store, emblems, and VA token
(Tier 4) Intrepid retrofit - C-store, emblems, and VA token
(Tier 4) Defiant retrofit - C-store, emblems, and VA token
(Tier 5) Prometheus (MVAM) - C-store, emblems
(Tier 1) B'rel retrofit - C-store, emblems, and VA token
(Tier 4) Vor'cha retrofit - C-store, emblems, and VA token
Yeah, even if you include only the Federation ships, I was going to say the Prometheus was left off of the previous list.

Honestly, if you break it down:

"Free" ships with C-store refit: 6 (4 Fed, 2 Klingon)
C-store refits of lower tier purchasable ships: 2 (all Fed)
Unique C-store ships (Tier 5): 6 (2 Fed, 4 Klingon, treating the Dreadnaught as a separate ship and not a refit)
Unique C-store ships (Tier 1): 3 (all Fed)

That honestly looks to me like "refits" are pretty much tied with completely unique C-store ships, and that only if you look at them as a whole. The Federation actually have only two totally unique ships at T-5 available in the C-store that aren't a refit of an earlier tier. And one of them is still a variation on the Galaxy. Maybe once the Andorian ship and the Ambassador show up it'll be different.
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# 13
06-02-2011, 02:10 PM
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You keep telling yourself that. And you keep buying things like an Excelsior, an Ambassador or a Vulcan ship.

While the Akira stays right where it is.

I think the idea is a sound idea. But it's been a sound idea SINCE BETA when people suggested it.

It's the C-Store that is currently causing alllllll of the issues with ships and tiers.
Well I dont have to keep myself telling obvious facts. And I keep buying things I like wich is not your concern at all.

As I and others told you, the tier system did not prevent other ships from lower tiers becoming available as refit at Tier 5. That is a fact and that makes the Akira beeing not there not beeing a problem of the Tier system but more a problem of simply Cryptic not making a refit.

Why they didnt do that yet, especially with the Akira (and more especially with the fact of a lack of escorts at t5) is and stays a mystery to me. Cant even blame them for not making it because its klingon content....

And well... the rant about C-Store and Tier systems.... I dont like the Tier system too, and C-Store.... well since a lot of stuff I like and I have from there wouldnt be in the game if there were no CStore because they simply woulndt have the money to develop it.... I can live with it. But the current problem can be easyly solved with Tier system and C-Store with just making refit versions. I'm sure more people would have bought it then the Orberth class....
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# 14
06-02-2011, 02:15 PM
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Why they didnt do that yet, especially with the Akira (and more especially with the fact of a lack of escorts at t5) is and stays a mystery to me.
I've told you why they don't make the Akira refit. You simply choose not to believe the obvious. It's cool though. Keep dreaming for this amazing idea that has been asked for since the very beginning. It won't happen. And it won't happen because the dev team aren't allowed to make it happen because of the C-Store jibba jabba.

Mystery? Hardly.
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# 15
06-02-2011, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuatela
Hmm... you're right on the Boff slots. I'll fix the OP.

As to the maneuverabilitiy, those stats are copied directly from the Luna class, for the most part. The Nova seen in canon was about as maneuverable as an Intrepid (especially the Endgame refit), so it only seemed fair that a "modern" version would get maneuverability similar to an Intrepid.
Okay, endorsement returned. The concept was obviously made with love and respect for the material, and while I'd prefer more Klingon ships, I'd like to see these ships in the game.

As for maneuverability, that can be tweaked around hull strength and crew size so it's not such a big deal.
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# 16
06-03-2011, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
I've told you why they don't make the Akira refit. You simply choose not to believe the obvious. It's cool though. Keep dreaming for this amazing idea that has been asked for since the very beginning. It won't happen. And it won't happen because the dev team aren't allowed to make it happen because of the C-Store jibba jabba.

Mystery? Hardly.
No you havent told anything. You said thats an issue of the Tier system and it is... with 100 % prove... not.
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# 17
06-03-2011, 04:55 AM
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No you havent told anything. You said thats an issue of the Tier system and it is... with 100 % prove... not.
I believe superchum's assertion was they would not refit ships in the game at lower tiers because they would have trouble selling them in the C-Store. I assume this is based on the way the Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits can be had for a mere Vice-Admiral ship token. The poster himself suggests the Vice-Admiral ship token as a means of purchasing these ships.

So, while his point seems to have become occluded by mentioning the tier system, it does stand as valid. They are less likely to introduce ANY ship that can be had without visiting the C-Store. Ofcourse, there's nothing stopping them from throwing caution to the wind and making these two ships only available through the C-Store despite being refits of existing ships in the game.
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# 18
06-03-2011, 05:43 AM
hmmm i dont see whats wrong with the akira right now. its a capable ship and i dont think it can stand toe to toe with a soverign or defiant. Those three ships are in a different class. As seen on screen the akira can be destroyed rather easy.

Like the galaxy the akira can survive but be taken out but a good skilled captain. The nova or rather yet known as the rhode island for some of the better understanding BC folks is the premeir ship. being small has its advantage and as seen on screen its harder to hit smaller ship let alone target them correctly.

My thoughts are that rather then making a ship we ad two slots for firing only photon torpedoes on the port and starboard side. The ship may have 15 tubes but power does allow for limitations on what tubes can fire .

For retrospec no ship uses all of its screen abilities.
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# 19
06-03-2011, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
I've told you why they don't make the Akira refit. You simply choose not to believe the obvious. It's cool though. Keep dreaming for this amazing idea that has been asked for since the very beginning. It won't happen. And it won't happen because the dev team aren't allowed to make it happen because of the C-Store jibba jabba.

Mystery? Hardly.
It honestly wouldn't bother me if it was c-store only. I just want a refit. :p

As to your reason, it's not valid, because they've already refit a tier 1 ship. That means they can refit any ship they want, with CBS approval. C-store has nothing to do with it.
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# 20
06-03-2011, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jermbot View Post
I believe superchum's assertion was they would not refit ships in the game at lower tiers because they would have trouble selling them in the C-Store. I assume this is based on the way the Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits can be had for a mere Vice-Admiral ship token. The poster himself suggests the Vice-Admiral ship token as a means of purchasing these ships.

So, while his point seems to have become occluded by mentioning the tier system, it does stand as valid. They are less likely to introduce ANY ship that can be had without visiting the C-Store. Ofcourse, there's nothing stopping them from throwing caution to the wind and making these two ships only available through the C-Store despite being refits of existing ships in the game.
Well nobody said it would be free.
Also you can get all t5 ships via emblems, too, and since that was introduced I dont have a problem with the C-Store ships any more. You have to work for it or you have to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by UFP-Magnis View Post
hmmm i dont see whats wrong with the akira right now. its a capable ship and i dont think it can stand toe to toe with a soverign or defiant. Those three ships are in a different class. As seen on screen the akira can be destroyed rather easy.

Like the galaxy the akira can survive but be taken out but a good skilled captain. The nova or rather yet known as the rhode island for some of the better understanding BC folks is the premeir ship. being small has its advantage and as seen on screen its harder to hit smaller ship let alone target them correctly.

My thoughts are that rather then making a ship we ad two slots for firing only photon torpedoes on the port and starboard side. The ship may have 15 tubes but power does allow for limitations on what tubes can fire .

For retrospec no ship uses all of its screen abilities.
??!?!?
The Exceslior blew up on screen prety fast too, and is a t5. And I dont see were it did happen especially fast to the Akira. Also, teh Defaint went down, as seen on screen, prety fast when the plot needet it. Same for the Galaxy....
Also it is most liklely a newer class then the Defaint. I see absolutley NO REASON why it should be weaker -> in a lowe tier. And EVERY ship can be taken out by a good skilled captain, even the Scimitar.
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