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# 151
06-12-2011, 05:41 PM
Because the Excelsior and Nebula exist at both T3 and T5, so should the Akira. Make it an escort/cruiser hybrid in same vein that the Nebula is a science/cruiser hybrid.
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# 152
06-12-2011, 05:43 PM
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Because the Excelsior and Nebula exist at both T3 and T5, so should the Akira. Make it an escort/cruiser hybrid in same vein that the Nebula is a science/cruiser hybrid.
The Excelsior already is kinda a escort cruiser. Though in the Akira's case, it would be more escort than cruiser. See the link in my sig for stats that would accomplish that goal.
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# 153
06-12-2011, 05:47 PM
Meh... Its too ugly.
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# 154
06-12-2011, 05:58 PM
No...there MUST not be a T5 Akira. It's uneccessary and un needed. The game progression needs to move forward with new designs and technologies. Not retrofitting everything old.

Sure, if Starfleet was strapped and struggling and couldn't muster up the resources available to make new ships then of course they'd have to do what ever they could and refurbish all the old ships. But that isn't the case.
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# 155
06-12-2011, 06:02 PM
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No...there MUST not be a T5 Akira. It's uneccessary and un needed. The game progression needs to move forward with new designs and technologies. Not retrofitting everything old.
Yes, because there's absolutely no precedent for retrofitting any older ships... 'cause they didn't retrofit the Constitution class in The Motion Picture, or the Excelsior in DS9: Home Front. And they certainly haven't "continually upgraded" the D'kyr class, right?

Oh wait, they did.

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Sure, if Starfleet was strapped and struggling and couldn't muster up the resources available to make new ships then of course they'd have to do what ever they could and refurbish all the old ships. But that isn't the case.
....strapped and struggling, you mean like fighting a war on multiple fronts? Like fighting a war with Klingons, Romulans, True Way, Breen, Borg, Undine?

Like.... exactly where Starfleet currently is.
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# 156
06-12-2011, 07:55 PM
I agree with Cuatela. A T5 Akira is very much needed. Along with game-balance reasons (there are drastically less escort variants at T5 for the Federation than there are Cruisers or Science Vessels), the Akira is a recent design that should be on the front lines along with other T5 ships of the same era.

I'll cite both hard canon and soft canon references in this post. Although hard canon should always take priority over soft canon, STO does borrow some elements from soft canon as well, so I cite that as well to further my arguement.

In soft canon, the Akira was being planned as a result of hostilities with the Cardassian Union. This was in the 2350's. It was given higher priority in the 2360's after the looming threat of a possible Borg invasion. This is the earliest possible 'birth' of this ship class. We're currently in 2409 (or 2412, depending on whether you want to go by the in-game stardate). That's 40-50ish years between the planning stages to the in-game era. In regards to the lifespan of Starfleet ships, this is a very young design. The prototype USS Akira (NX-62497) launched in 2368.

In hard canon, with regards to actual construction and service dates, the Akira was seen in the early 2370's. In particular, in 2373... the Battle of Sector 001. This is the same battle the Enterprise-E and Defiant participated in. Furthermore, the durability of this design is proven when you consider the Battle of Sector 001 was a running battle from the Typhon Expanse all the way to Earth. The fact the USS Thunderchild (Akira-class) survived this pursuit of the Borg cube is testament to its reliability against the Borg.

Other ships introduced in the early 2370's along with the Akira-class, was the Sovereign-class (a T5 ship in STO), which launched in 2372 (both the USS Sovereign and USS Enterprise-E), and the Prometheus-class (a T5 ship in STO), which launched in 2374. In 2371, the USS Defiant was pulled out of storage to address the Dominion threat, and by 2373... there were a number of Defiants in service. The Defiant's initial planning stages occurred after the Battle of Wolf 359, which happened in 2367. Voyager was commissioned in 2371, the second ship of the Intrepid-class. Both the Defiant and Intrepid are T5 ships (although they are retrofits). So far, this is four ships in Star Trek Online which have the prestigious Tier 5 classification which were designed and launched within the same timeframe as the Akira-class. The Akira, therefore... should really be given the same respect and treatment as the other T5 ships and given her own T5 variant.

For further consideration, I'll dip back into strict soft canon and mention the prototype USS Luna began field tests (sea trials/space trials if you will) in 2372. This brings the total of ships that are Tier 5... to Five. The Sovereign, Intrepid, Defiant, Prometheus, and Luna. All from the same era. Yet the Akira is still neglected to 'merely' a Tier 3 classification, despite it being produced in the same timeframe as major Tier 5 ships.

Retrofit? Refit? Untitled Variant? It does not really matter. However you care to address the introduction of the Akira-class to its rightful Tier 5 standing, what's important is that it happens in some way.

I'm not going to try to argue the special statistics, abilities, or bridge officer layout. I'll leave that to the others.

What's important to take from this is that the Akira-class irrefutably belongs in the Tier 5 class of ships. It was made when Starfleet was concerned about a possible Borg invasion -- the same as the others, which now see service in STO as top-of-the-line ships made to combat the highest threats of the Federation, particularly the Borg. It saw service in the Dominion War. One of the Akira-class ships even showed up in the fleet prepared to combat the perceived Borg threat in the Voyager episode "Endgame", and subsequently helped welcome Voyager home in 2377.

Furthermore, the Akira-class was a major inspiration for the Enterprise NX-01's design in Enterprise. Proving the popularity of the ship yet again. If players want a T5 NX... a T5 Akira is most likely the closest they can get without breaking immersion (I'd even argue for an NX-inspired variant of the T5 Akira if produced).

There is a lot of clamor on these forums for a T5 Akira. Undoubtedly Cryptic is very aware of the desire for the Akira to be a T5 ship. The only disappointing thing is during the June issue of Ask Cryptic... is that Dstahl mentioned they're 'on the fence' about creating one.

In my opinion, there is nothing to be on the fence about. I've stated my points. Cuatela has stated his, and numerous players have also stated their passion and support for this as well. There is no logical reason the Akira-class should not have a variant in the T5 class of ships. It's a modern ship. It was made for the same reasons the Sovereign, Defiant, and Prometheus were made. It's proven its reliability, it's proven its popularity. There is signifigantly less Escort variance than either Cruisers or Science ships.

What is there to dwell on? Bring the Akira to Tier 5. We deserve it.
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# 157
06-12-2011, 08:04 PM
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*Lots and lots of very well thought out and researched stuff*
Far too much to quote for truth, but regardless, right there with you. Lets get that T5 Akira in game ASAP Cryptic. It deserves to be there along side it's development compatriots.
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# 158
06-12-2011, 09:46 PM
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Shuttles are already Tier 5. ;P they do what we tried and are continuing to fight for. To let ALL ships level with you.
So said T5 shuttle can go toe-to-toe with a full on starship thats T5?
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# 159
06-12-2011, 09:58 PM
Though, I agree w/ a T5 Akira, and think Cryptic failed in this area of their ship organization.

I think the T3 version should be replaced btw. The T3 escort should not be the Akira, at all.
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# 160
06-12-2011, 10:16 PM
T5 Akira is on the top of my would love to have list. I have been a massive fan of this class of ship
since it first appeared in games with ST Amarda (RTS game based shortly after the dominion wars, during a borg invassion).
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