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# 131
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
I fly a Raptor for the follow reasons.

1) I can survive in it far longer than in a BoP.

2) I can do massive damage in it.

3) I like the way it looks.

4) I can kill engineers in cruisers using it.
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# 132
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BobO369 View Post
I fly a Raptor for the follow reasons.

1) I can survive in it far longer than in a BoP.

2) I can do massive damage in it.

3) I like the way it looks.

4) I can kill engineers in cruisers using it.
It all depends from a matter of carreer choice I guess... As tactical career I can understand considering you are geared more towards damage.
As engineer I have given myself 2 choices… The universal BoP or the BC, right now I use the BoP and unless 3 or more start pounding me I can hold my own.
4 Hull Heals:
- Auxilary power to structural integrity II
- Engineering Team I and III
- Hazard Emitters II
5 Shield Heals
- Science Team I
- Emergency power to Shields I and III
- Rotate Shield Frequency III
- Reverse Shield Polarity I
And do not forget Miracle Worker III which gives both Hull and Shield healing when in an emergency.

This kind of healing power I could not have in a Raptor.
Combining my healing skills with 4x DBB and a fast turnrate allows for very fun dog fighting against 1 or 2 feds (which is were I get my fun in PvP)..
With very little need to use BattleCloak I must add unless 3 or more feds suddenly team up… When that happens I am dead quite fast without assistance from my fellow KDF, but I doubt even the 9000 hull can make a Raptor take a long beating from multiple vessels.

So far I have flow BoP’s, BC’s and the Vo’Quv Carrier. All 3 are fun although have their strong and weak points. BoP’s are cannon fodder, BC’s turn too slow to use anything else but Beam Arrays and Carriers turn even slower then BC’s and I hate the pets landing every time my enemy is dead (as if in the instance I am at the moment I am not going to need them about 10 seconds later…).
Raptors however look better then BC’s and due to that I am tempted to try, but I don’t have the needed BOff’s to outfit it properly so I might try it on a future alt… Already got two BoP characters… .
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# 133
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Shinkuu_Akagan
I fly a Raptor mainly for the same reason the OP does. I do not think the Cowardly hit and run tactics of the BoP are befitting a KDF officer. I would see them as fighting to the death instead rather than cloaking in the middle of a fire fight. To be honest; that is a Romulan tactic.
It always seems strange to me when people consider effective tactics for an honourable race to be "cowardly" because it doesn't fit THEIR standards.

For one, Klingons aren't Paladins. They don't sit their in their piety taking their hits and blasting about righteousness. They don't have the armour to withstand such attacks even if for some reason nobility demanded it. They are conquerors. Honour, for Klingons, isn't quantified in the same way you apparently percieve it to be. Honour to a Klingon means the ability to win in battle against a formidable opponent, subjugate it, and be acknowledged as the superior warrior and victor. Hit and run attacks with a smaller, lighter ship against a larger target is most certainly going to net them an honourable, glorious victory.

Secondly, everyone also assumes the same (though opposite viewpoint) of Romulans. Are all Romulans cowards? Are they all sneaky, ready to sell out their own at a moment's notice? Actually, no. Romulans are paranoid and xenophobic, true, but that makes them want to protect their Empire and families even moreso. There's a nobility (to them) to doing everything in their power to maintain a fruitful, prosperous Romulan civilization and the Federation, the KDF, and pretty much everyone else can and might be a threat to that. Romulan Warbirds are among the most powerful vessels in the quadrant, and accordingly the Romulans don't like to shy away from a fight (although they do for political reasons... they have a lot to consider).

In closing, fighting to the death in a smaller, lesser-equipped vessel with a hull that would break if you sneezed at it against a monstrous cruiser of another faction may seem noble and could be romanticised however you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that it's utterly stupid if you have another option. I fly a Raptor and I fly a BoP, and both have their differing playstyles; neither of them is without honour, and both bring glorious victory.

You wish to pass over the BoP because your style of fighting leads you more toward the also-cloaking Raptor, so be it. But beware the warrior you call a coward, even if indirectly as this!
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# 134
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
An old Klingon friend of mine told me a story once, hmmm I think it went like this.

Long ago, a storm was heading for the city of Quin'lat. Everyone took protection within the walls except one man who remained outside. Kahless went to him and asked what he was doing. "I am not afraid," the man said. "I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." Kahless honored his choice and went back inside. The next day, the storm came, and the man was killed. Kahless replied, "The wind does not respect a fool".

To use a scout ship to strike a blow on a larger ship is one thing, but to do so blatantly in the open knowing what will happen, but determined to do it. Not smart, but it is your choice.

A BOP at least uses strategy of battle cloaking to move to a more advantagous location.
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# 135
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BobO369 View Post
I fly a Raptor for the follow reasons.

1) I can survive in it far longer than in a BoP.

2) I can do massive damage in it.

3) I like the way it looks.

4) I can kill engineers in cruisers using it.
Number 4 is a good reason to me...lol...I like it.
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# 136
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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An old Klingon friend of mine told me a story once, hmmm I think it went like this.

Long ago, a storm was heading for the city of Quin'lat. Everyone took protection within the walls except one man who remained outside. Kahless went to him and asked what he was doing. "I am not afraid," the man said. "I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." Kahless honored his choice and went back inside. The next day, the storm came, and the man was killed. Kahless replied, "The wind does not respect a fool".

To use a scout ship to strike a blow on a larger ship is one thing, but to do so blatantly in the open knowing what will happen, but determined to do it. Not smart, but it is your choice.

A BOP at least uses strategy of battle cloaking to move to a more advantagous location.
The Raptor is not a foolish old man spitting in the face of the wind. The Raptor is a cloaked sword capable of lining up one perfect shot. That shot won't win the fight but it will give you the upper hand, if you're good enough, and afterwards it's the skill of the pilot and crew that carry the day. You may prefer the 'strategy' of a million tiny knife cuts from a Bird of Prey, but don't call us fools for bringing a sharper, longer blade and the confidence in our skill to forsake a battle cloak.
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# 137
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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The Raptor is not a foolish old man spitting in the face of the wind. The Raptor is a cloaked sword capable of lining up one perfect shot. That shot won't win the fight but it will give you the upper hand, if you're good enough, and afterwards it's the skill of the pilot and crew that carry the day. You may prefer the 'strategy' of a million tiny knife cuts from a Bird of Prey, but don't call us fools for bringing a sharper, longer blade and the confidence in our skill to forsake a battle cloak.
He wasn't.

It was a response to any Raptor pilot* calling a BoP pilot a fool for bringing his/her "tiny knife cut" of a ship instead, which as a pilot of both I can tell you is hardly tiny.


*and most likely ANYONE calling a cloaked-vessel-user a "coward" for using said cloak
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# 138
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
I fly the raptor because I am transitioning from a Cruiser Pilot, I will probably level another KDF in a BoP. THe raptor is a very fine DPS ship. Because of the console setup you can get some pretty exotic and beneficial power settings. I run pretty much even engines and shields 40 before bonuses and still have 125 in weapons after bonuses.
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# 139
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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I wouldn't call the BoP tactics cowardly, but for a group of five Klingon (as in, players are klingons not just KDF) to be using remarkably Romulan tactics (Who the klingons hate) amused me in a space PVP match I did once .

As for my Gorn I plan to make with Season four? Will probably fly a raptor, haven't decided.
I'm curious... what would you consider "Romulan tactics?"
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# 140
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
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I'm curious... what would you consider "Romulan tactics?"
"We strike, then cloak and sit perfectly still in some corner for a long time, then strike again."

Focus being that they were cloaked and did nothing offensively for the bulk of the match's time.

Overall, I'd say Romulan tactics are heavy on cloaking and less direct combat (From the little I know of them). Where Klingons seem far more for using cloak to get in and hit hard then simply to hide and watch.
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