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# 11
06-13-2011, 09:57 PM
Good thread, good idea. Plenty of fleets out there who just decided to use FAW as I win button.
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# 12
06-13-2011, 10:02 PM
Ban faw then I guess you should ban carrier's too cause every fed loves pets.

I am not defending faw, but I do use it for 1 dbb. Yes, one dbb! I use it for your lovely pet's. If you think 1dbb with faw is cheese then I think spewing a crap load of pets is. And that includes a sci capt with a mvam that could pump 7 ships total.
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# 13
06-13-2011, 10:07 PM
There are ways to kill pets without FAW.

Off the top of my head...
Target a teammate and spam spacebar
Alternate tab and spacebar while keeping the majority of the spam in the center of your screen
Scatter volley, shockwave, gravity well, warp plasma, etc.

Some of us get along just fine without it
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# 14
06-13-2011, 10:09 PM
Good luck.
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# 15
06-13-2011, 10:17 PM
You talk about LF here. I doubt they kill anything without FAW. Most LF i encounter even in groups are big into the new FAW. Crimson please tell me you only use 1 DBB on your MVAM because i have seen different like your fleet buddies. LF is one of the biggest FAW Spamming Fleets out there, not sure if it is because of the amount of members and sure not everbody of you guys do however I encounter plenty on a daily base. So please don't give I only have 1 dbb and its only to kill spam. Thats a laughable excuse.
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# 16
06-13-2011, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Stegi
You talk about LF here. I doubt they kill anything without FAW. Most LF i encounter even in groups are big into the new FAW. Crimson please tell me you only use 1 DBB on your MVAM because i have seen different like your fleet buddies. LF is one of the biggest FAW Spamming Fleets out there, not sure if it is because of the amount of members and sure not everbody of you guys do however I encounter plenty on a daily base. So please don't give I only have 1 dbb and its only to kill spam. Thats a laughable excuse.
I thought the idea wasn't to "call out" other fleets but make suggestions on who should be white listed lol.

My only other concern though is those skills (some not all) were banned with ship limitations in mind as well.

I wouldn't mind running a weekly event similar to what we did once all the little details get hammered out so there will be honor matches, but expecting all fleets all the time to not use any of these at any time is a bit much, (I myself use a scramble sensors 1 on mai kai). Usually im the only one in my group that has it but. There are time we have 1 or 2 in the group.

I do like the nobility of the idea but in all seriousness I don't think its practical to expect every member in every fleet at all times to not use any of these skills for any reason in a non- pre determined fasion. (And as I stated before if its predetermined everyone wants I can attempt to run a weekly event. Every team that enters at the begining of the time would be listed and then rolls would be made and then battles would be had until there's no more time for the event)
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# 17
06-13-2011, 10:30 PM
LF does have some FaW users I have an escort with FaW I used 3 times in matches. Beyond that I do not use FaW. I know many in LF use FaW because they got curbstomped by other fleets using the same deplorable skills and those same fleets come on here and say FaW is OP'd. On the KDF side of LF I fly regularly with one guy that uses FaW and all he is doing is doling out heals hae is hardly specced as a FaW boat like many here are trying to cry.

Viper while I would like to say I will make LF and SoS cheese free we have little faith that others will also. I mean what do we do Call the OP police when we see Fleet X using a broken skill when they agree to not use it here.

I will reserve signing this "treaty" until I see the fruits of its labor.
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# 18
06-13-2011, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Stegi
You talk about LF here. I doubt they kill anything without FAW. Most LF i encounter even in groups are big into the new FAW. Crimson please tell me you only use 1 DBB on your MVAM because i have seen different like your fleet buddies. LF is one of the biggest FAW Spamming Fleets out there, not sure if it is because of the amount of members and sure not everbody of you guys do however I encounter plenty on a daily base. So please don't give I only have 1 dbb and its only to kill spam. Thats a laughable excuse.
I think you flew with 3-5 LF the other night on the KDF. Making broad generalization I have seen you on once and I am on regularly 8pm EST to 1am EST. The skills are broken and "everyone" is using them. Whether its right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. I mean right now there is a lot of pent up frustration in game because Every fleet over uses broken skills and PvP is hardly fun. I find most matches to be curbstompings one way or the other and can only count on 1 hand how many decently balanced matches where the overuse of broken skills was not prevalent.
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# 19
06-13-2011, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by matteo716 View Post
I thought the idea wasn't to "call out" other fleets but make suggestions on who should be white listed lol.

My only other concern though is those skills (some not all) were banned with ship limitations in mind as well.
Well Scramble 1 and 2 are ok, but scamble 3 is bugged.

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Originally Posted by matteo716 View Post
I do like the nobility of the idea but in all seriousness I don't think its practical to expect every member in every fleet at all times to not use any of these skills for any reason in a non- pre determined fasion.
I think it is that simple, it's a single mail to all fleet members, don't use broken skills in PVP.

If you want any kind of respect from the community, and this is not aimed at anyone in particular, just say no to exploiting broken mechanics. If your fleet members want to use broken skills and that in turn gives your fleet a bad name then maybe its time for them to move (or kicked) in to a different fleet.

I don't understand the mentality of keeping those players around when all they are doing is attracting the wrong kind of attention for your fleet.

Some fleets won't care about playing clean, and that's ok, we have fun banter with such fleets. But, we're NOT naming and shaming here, and anyone that tries to do so, will have their post reported, we really don't want this to turn into a flame war.

We just want a list of honest fleets willing to keep the game clean.
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# 20
06-13-2011, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Data
Viper while I would like to say I will make LF and SoS cheese free we have little faith that others will also. I mean what do we do Call the OP police when we see Fleet X using a broken skill when they agree to not use it here
Screen shot it and they will be removed.
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