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# 51
06-21-2011, 01:44 PM
I'm in Kerrat and closed queued PVP fights all the time. I can't ever say that I've seen Defiant R's or Cruisers 'one shotting" ships. Only ship I've seen that have been B.O.P.'s. Where are the victims of these one shots?? I wanna see if I can do it too!!! Really, who can one shot with a Fed cruiser? Most of us are too busy trying to broadside (not me) or going back to StarBase because the galley ran out of Columbian Coffee (juust kidding :p )


My only consideration in regards to one shotting is that all player-characters are supposed to be epic styled heroes, one shots on full health/shield pvp ships should be infantessimal. There could be some players that are so oblivious and set up so poor that it could happen, but you should be REALLY bad to have it happen. I do think it happens too much, but I dont know about neccesarilly a "nerf".
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# 52 I'm your huckleberry...
06-21-2011, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by whamhammer View Post
I'm in Kerrat and closed queued PVP fights all the time. I can't ever say that I've seen Defiant R's or Cruisers 'one shotting" ships. Only ship I've seen that have been B.O.P.'s. Where are the victims of these one shots?? I wanna see if I can do it too!!! Really, who can one shot with a Fed cruiser? Most of us are too busy trying to broadside (not me) or going back to StarBase because the galley ran out of Columbian Coffee (juust kidding :p )


My only consideration in regards to one shotting is that all player-characters are supposed to be epic styled heroes, one shots on full health/shield pvp ships should be infantessimal. There could be some players that are so oblivious and set up so poor that it could happen, but you should be REALLY bad to have it happen. I do think it happens too much, but I dont know about neccesarilly a "nerf".
<-------One shotter.

Ingame it's either as Jinzo-fed side or Ryoessi-klink side.... I've one shotted plenty of other escort/BoP/Raptor users along with sci ships and a few unnatenetive cruiser captains. I'm not gonna' sit here and wax the epeen. I have no need to. It's doable, I'm just one of Hundreds of crafty captains that have put in the work & effort in creating a deadly ship build designed for the sole purpose of making that warp breach a realization. Some times I miscount the timing and send out my Hyt-3 too soon, or I miss the downed shield facing... But I do 'one-shot' ppl quite often and it's because I worked hard at it and practiced, somthing the OP clearly has no concept of. And it's sad really. These are the ones the Devs will gravitate to....*squeeky wheel and all* Not the population that see nothing wrong with it, but the few and far between inept players that need to wear sandals just to count out all the different ways they just got pwned out in Space PvP
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# 53
06-21-2011, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyger-Blud
<-------One shotter.

Ingame it's either as Jinzo-fed side or Ryoessi-klink side.... I've one shotted plenty of other escort/BoP/Raptor users along with sci ships and a few unnatenetive cruiser captains. I'm not gonna' sit here and wax the epeen. I have no need to. It's doable, I'm just one of Hundreds of crafty captains that have put in the work & effort in creating a deadly ship build designed for the sole purpose of making that warp breach a realization. Some times I miscount the timing and send out my Hyt-3 too soon, or I miss the downed shield facing... But I do 'one-shot' ppl quite often and it's because I worked hard at it and practiced, somthing the OP clearly has no concept of. And it's sad really. These are the ones the Devs will gravitate to....*squeeky wheel and all* Not the population that see nothing wrong with it, but the few and far between inept players that need to wear sandals just to count out all the different ways they just got pwned out in Space PvP
What kind of ship are you doing it with? Most of what I was saying was that I've never heard or seen a Fed ship do it, especially a cruiser. The only one shotters I've seen were from well set up B.O.P.'s.

I still argue it should be in the extremely rare cases it happens, but with the hull/shields configurantions, escorts would be the most likely recipients. Then science, then cruisers. The innattentive captain, I expect the worst things to happen to them, but also what IS inattentive? Fighting someone else, pursuing at different objective than the "sneaking" cloaked ship or just plain mentally afk?

Understanding the game mechanics is commendable and shows time and effort (hopefully not too much of either). I certainly dont recommend giving everyone Nerf bats to whack each other with all day long, but one shotting shouldnt be a highly repeatable thing, it should be "the lucky bee-bee".
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# 54
06-21-2011, 06:47 PM
any ship can be made extremely powerful, ALL have advantages when used right, Leave it has is

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Hello Forum,

For a long time, I've been beaten by a landslide when going against players using the Defiant-R. It's clearly obvious that it needs a nerf. I agree that the Cloak is cool and that its a fun ship to play, but the fact is its SO OP that its hard to tell that its an escort as opposed to one of the developers' personal toys that got loose. Cruisers and Science ships don't stand a chance against it, and the cloak only makes it that much more powerful. I've seen too many people using this strategy:

Cloak---Get Close---Fire off buffs---Uncloak---Lay waste and defeat in under 3 seconds---recloak
This is typically 1 on 1.

Even when you have a group, the ship can easily outgun the enemy 3-to-1.
ESPECIALLY When equipped with the Borg set. It is just TOO powerful.

Cryptic, I implore you to do something about it.

Sincerely,
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# 55
06-22-2011, 02:29 AM
Escort captains are usually a primamry target in PvP. Ive seen teams use that strategy to win the match. Ive decloaked and watched the entire opposing team stop what they were doing and come after me. Ive sinced wised up to that and now just pick off targets of opportunity and stay on the outside of the wagon wheel cruiser circus i enjoy the challenge
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# 56
06-22-2011, 06:10 AM
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What kind of ship are you doing it with?
More often than not it's with my D-R, but I'm also using the Stealth BoP. You have to understand, I'm specifficaly set up for removing a shield facing right when those torps go sailing past. It's all about timing with my setup.

As for the cruiser captain's it's mostly the ones that are busy focused on healing a teamate or farming in Ker'rat. If they are laying in wait then hell no. Unless they are captained by the shortbus squad then no...They have their skills ready to pop the instant they feel threatened and 1-shotting is no longer an option for those Battle Hardened Vets.
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# 57
06-22-2011, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by W-T-Riker
The Defiant needs more Hull, Battleclok and 2 more Weapon Slots at Front ....
it's still not as Stong then in TV Show like it should be ...

maybe only in PVE

PVP it might stay as it is now
To be comparable with what we see in the shows, the defiant would need a CMDR Engineering IMHO. Otherwise Sisko and the rest wouldn't have survived the first engagement.
(Not saying that this ship really needs that.)

Live long and prosper.
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# 58
06-22-2011, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyger-Blud
More often than not it's with my D-R, but I'm also using the Stealth BoP. You have to understand, I'm specifficaly set up for removing a shield facing right when those torps go sailing past. It's all about timing with my setup.

As for the cruiser captain's it's mostly the ones that are busy focused on healing a teamate or farming in Ker'rat. If they are laying in wait then hell no. Unless they are captained by the shortbus squad then no...They have their skills ready to pop the instant they feel threatened and 1-shotting is no longer an option for those Battle Hardened Vets.
I figured you were using cloakers, I was very doubtfull you were driving a cruiser. I still say that whomever was saying that they were doing it with their cruiser was peddling horsehockey! I understand the whole timing thing and it should be a rare thing, requiring a bunch of factors to come into play.I've been one shotted a couple of times, sometimes I deserved it, sometimes I had defensive skills up right before the hit (brace for impact, the Devidian phasing device, etc..). What annoys me is that a persons defnece actually goes down in a turn. I know it bleeds speed a little, but still your changing trajectories and position (unlike going straight). I bet you still get less one shots in a Defiant R than you do in your BOP because of the way the BOFFs are alocated.
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# 59 O rly? YA, rly.
06-22-2011, 09:53 AM
Pick a faction, pick a ship. Apply randomizer if you like.

The best players I know of in this game will take said ship into most situations & become a game-changer.

The best hunters that I know of in this game will pwn joo in a defiant-R or a BoP.

Never disregard 5 experienced players working together. It doesn't rly matter what ships they are using.
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# 60
06-22-2011, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by InertiaCreeps
Pick a faction, pick a ship. Apply randomizer if you like.

The best players I know of in this game will take said ship into most situations & become a game-changer.

The best hunters that I know of in this game will pwn joo in a defiant-R or a BoP.

Never disregard 5 experienced players working together. It doesn't rly matter what ships they are using.

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