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# 21
06-17-2011, 08:25 AM
I'm not in favor of merging the factions. At all. That is a game breaker for me.

I might be interested in an alliance down the line when there are multiple factions in the game and it makes sense to have alliances. However, I don't see that time coming soon if ever.

That said, I can see where there might be some circumstances where there would be cross-faction teaming, such as an STF against a common enemy, such as the Borg. I would hope those missions would be written so that the cross-faction teaming would appear to be one of necessity given the circumstances.

One of the biggest problems I have with a merger or alliance is that I don't think it encourages new content for Klingons. I like the Featured Episodes, but I feel that many of those are written from a Federation point of view and then altered to make sense for a Klingon. That is fine in some circumstances, but it feels forced in others. Another example: the journey into fluidic space to attempt to make contact with the Undine. J'mpok and the HIgh Council apparently lose their mind and decide to pursue peace and an alliance with the Undine against the Federation, nevermind that it was infiltration of the Undine into the Gorn that sparked this whole war to begin with.

What I'm getting at is that I think an alliance or merger would encourage more Federation driven stories that might be adapted for Klingons, but no true Klingon stories such as those we saw in Season 2.
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# 22
06-17-2011, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ZTempest
Okay.

I went from feeling hopeful to wondering if something else is going on.

I am seeing tons of threads in other forums, and even in this forum, regarding merging the KDF and Federation factions, or both factions joining in a full alliance against the Borg, etc. etc.

Oddly enough...I see a LOT of people in favor of these ideas.....and oddly enough, very few of those people are names that I recognize as dedicated KDF players.

Furthermore...Mr. Stahl dropped a hint or two in the Priority One broadcast that some sort of KDF-Federation co-op play might just be in the works. No details -- I speculate that it could be a special mission in an episode or some such...but some Federation players are taking these statements to mean that there is either an end to the war, and an alliance soon after, or a faction merge at some point.

I know that most (probably all) of us are no more informed about what is being considered than the next guy...and I also know that is not proper to ask for a Dev response, although I do hope that a Dev might take some interest in this thread and comment.

However, perhaps if we have a serious discussion regarding these ideas amongst the dedicated KDF players, we can let our positions be known one way or another.

I will get the ball rolling on this -- I think that most folks who have read my occasional posts in the past regarding this issue know where I stand. I am not in favor of an alliance OR a faction merge, for whatever reason. I like the model behind a multi-faction game, and I think that should the factions merge, or become allies on the same side, that the game would lose an important flavor and element. I also think that should a faction merge or alliance be in the works, then you can basically kiss the Romulan faction, or any other possible future faction goodbye. Just my opinion.

So...what do you think? I know that this thread is likely to attract some of the posters in other threads that I have been seeing that are pushing this idea...and to be honest, it almost seems like there is some sort of organized effort in play to make this happen through forum influence. I certainly hope that is not the case...but there has been an awful lot of this business lately, and it is quickly becoming a regular theme.

i would like to hear from the guys who primarily play KDF -- not the Federation player that happens to have a LC Klingon that they never leveled. I want to hear from the dedicated LTGs I see in game and at Qo'nos. My instincts tell me that the idea of a faction merge is not something that the majority of dedicated KDF players want...but I still thought I would try to capture the pulse of the real KDF community on this issue.

In any case, thank you for your time. Qap'Lah!
The only thing that has been confirmed is crossfaction teaming for the STF's. Crossfaction teaming works for those missions where you battle a common (and über powerful) enemy like the Borg,the Undine and the Iconians.And I'm all for it,crossfaction teaming is a good thing in this case.

The thread I started was to speculate what the comment from Stahl could/would mean for the factions and the future of STO. Was he saying they were going to end the war.....or that they were just working on crossfaction teaming for the STF's?Lets face it....he didn't say much to begin with,all we can do is speculate at this time.
However,it does provide us the opportunity to give them feedback on this before they make any drastic changes to the factions.

There are 2 things the KDF players can agree on....1: Shooting Feds is a lot of fun! And 2: the Fed/KDF war as it is now serves no purpose,the way the backstory for this war is written,the KDF fails to be the antagonist faction they intended it to be.The KDF is not the Evil Empire they need it to be for the war to be believable.....and Cryptic knows it. It's just that we have no idea what they are going to do to fix it.
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# 23
06-17-2011, 08:44 AM
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The KDF is not the Evil Empire they need it to be for the war to be believable.....and Cryptic knows it. It's just that we have no idea what they are going to do to fix it.
Give us Capes?
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# 24
06-17-2011, 08:47 AM
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Give us Capes?
That would be a first step in the right direction.:p
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# 25
06-17-2011, 09:51 AM
Well, I'd be for a truce, as long as it was temporary. Let's get together and take out the Undine; of course, philosophies being different, friction would start up again when the common enemy is vanquished. Eventually we'd be at war again (kind of like the shows).

How's this for an idea:

Merge the Federation and the Empire under the auspice of cooperation against the Undine threat (such as it is). Have a couple instances where the story unfolds (maybe as a Featured Episode, told from a joint perspective). This would also open up all the Federation PvE content to the Klingons for a while*.

During this time, the development team could work on fleshing out the Klingons (and the new faction *cough* Romulans *cough*). This would open up the opportunity to incorporate more PvE content (and maybe change / modify the existing Federation content for the new war) or even set up the consensual PvP zones (which could be used to further the war effort, establish diplomatic ties, expand the Federation / Empire, or set up a way to incorporate the next "truce") with PvP (not PvE) missions.

A truce could be a good thing.

*Grabs a mug of hot cocoa and a flame retardant suit*


-Auspice


* This would also open up the Klingon content for the Federation. This would also help those who enjoy accolades to fill out their logs. Of course, this could also open up new accolades for both factions that could be "unique" when the factions go to war again.
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# 26
06-17-2011, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Auspice
Well, I'd be for a truce, as long as it was temporary. Let's get together and take out the Undine; of course, philosophies being different, friction would start up again when the common enemy is vanquished. Eventually we'd be at war again (kind of like the shows).

How's this for an idea:

Merge the Federation and the Empire under the auspice of cooperation against the Undine threat (such as it is). Have a couple instances where the story unfolds (maybe as a Featured Episode, told from a joint perspective). This would also open up all the Federation PvE content to the Klingons for a while*.

During this time, the development team could work on fleshing out the Klingons (and the new faction *cough* Romulans *cough*). This would open up the opportunity to incorporate more PvE content (and maybe change / modify the existing Federation content for the new war) or even set up the consensual PvP zones (which could be used to further the war effort, establish diplomatic ties, expand the Federation / Empire, or set up a way to incorporate the next "truce") with PvP (not PvE) missions.

A truce could be a good thing.

*Grabs a mug of hot cocoa and a flame retardant suit*


-Auspice


* This would also open up the Klingon content for the Federation. This would also help those who enjoy accolades to fill out their logs. Of course, this could also open up new accolades for both factions that could be "unique" when the factions go to war again.
Does everyone else want Federation content just for the sake of having content? I want Klingon content. I don't believe they would merge the two factions and then focus on making new Klingon content or completing the Romulan faction. They'd go right on make Federation content. They can't stop making Federation content. Furthermore, merging the two factions probably isn't as easy as flipping a switch. I have no proof, but I suspect that'd be a season unto itself. Then you would have to unmerge them at some point.

I'm not in favor of any type of merger of the factions. If players want Klingon achievements, they can create a Klingon character and come get them that way.
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# 27
06-17-2011, 10:24 AM
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Does everyone else want Federation content just for the sake of having content? I want Klingon content. I don't believe they would merge the two factions and then focus on making new Klingon content or completing the Romulan faction. They'd go right on make Federation content. They can't stop making Federation content. Furthermore, merging the two factions probably isn't as easy as flipping a switch. I have no proof, but I suspect that'd be a season unto itself. Then you would have to unmerge them at some point.

I'm not in favor of any type of merger of the factions. If players want Klingon achievements, they can create a Klingon character and come get them that way.
No, everyone does not want Federation content just for the sake of having content. I want actual Klingon content, with an actual Klingon perspective. I believe (note, *I* BELIEVE) most people playing Klingons would want the same.

I don't believe they'd work on content for the Klingons if there were a merger. (Of course, I don't BELIEVE they will ever have another full faction with full content; at best, I believe there will be another faction with access [ACCESS] to the content already in game [FEs, etc.] and have that called "good." Of course, I'm extremely pessimistic and may be on my way to curmudgeon.)

Now, I will say, I sure do want to take on the Doomsday Device on my Klingon. I’d like it to be an actual Klingon mission, but I’d sure take (in a heartbeat) the chance to run the current one.

Now, do you believe that there is going to be a large influx of Klingon (actual Klingon-oriented) content? How about faction-specific content for the new faction?

Do you truly believe this idea is so bad that it shouldn’t even warrant discussion? (Of course, if you do, I’d sure like to know why.)


-Auspice
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# 28
06-17-2011, 12:15 PM
Would I be fine with a merging of the factions? Hell, no.

Would I be fine with a cooperative "cross-faction" teaming? Yes, particularly in STFs, where it would make sense.

The Klingons and Federation have had periods of hostility followed by some semblance of peace. I don't see a problem with letting us team up and work together against a common enemy, but I would draw the line there. There still needs to be Federation-specific missions for the "blue" team and Klingon-specific missions for the "red" team.

Hell, I'd be happy with letting the KDF play through Fed missions, but with enough changes to make it feel almost different.
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# 29
06-17-2011, 01:10 PM
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Give us Capes?
We have capes now. Well.... sort of. The 500 day vet has what I feel is a cape option.


I am pretty certain that the devs only mean to have KDF and Fed Co-op play, not an actual MERGE. And the players that want this are mainly complaining about the STFs and how hard it is to get a KDF team together for them. (Yes, it makes sense story wise - enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that, but logistically it's just been difficult to find KDF players to run them). Two nights ago, I was playing CO with a friend, (but I subscribe to the KDF STF channel). There was team asking for players to help run Khitomer with them. They spammed the channel for an hour before I finally gave in and offered to join them. And for the record, I am against a MERGE, but having co-op play with CERTAIN missions would be of benefit.
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# 30
06-17-2011, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MinosOne
Does everyone else want Federation content just for the sake of having content? I want Klingon content. I don't believe they would merge the two factions and then focus on making new Klingon content or completing the Romulan faction. They'd go right on make Federation content. They can't stop making Federation content. Furthermore, merging the two factions probably isn't as easy as flipping a switch. I have no proof, but I suspect that'd be a season unto itself. Then you would have to unmerge them at some point.

I'm not in favor of any type of merger of the factions. If players want Klingon achievements, they can create a Klingon character and come get them that way.
It's not for the sake of content, it's what the content means. Right now it is a boring slog to level a Klingon, boring enough that most people won't do it. So we have no population and that is a huge problem. If we had content, even bad content, it could mean a larger population, an easier time pugging STF's, more competitive PVP queue's and the all important love and support from the developers.

Now, how do we get more content? Well, the status quo answer is to wait for it to get developed at it's current pace. The unrealistic answer is to complain enough and hope they hire on someone to develop it despite them not showing the inclination to really increase production on KDF content. Or we can sacrifice our feelings of initial uniqueness in some way by settling for Federation leftovers.

That's the calculation people are making when they suggest doing something they otherwise don't like.
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