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# 31
06-24-2011, 11:16 AM
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The D-8 is currently the mainstay of the Klingon battlecruiser fleet. It has replaced both of its predecessors, the D-6 and D-7, on the Klingon production schedule and has all but replaced them in major fleet operations. As all of these are brand new, fitted with the latest in Klingon starship technology advances, the D-8 will most likely remain a common sight for decades to come.
* this statement made in 2309, not 2409
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# 32
06-24-2011, 11:40 AM
ST:VI Undiscovered Country shows Chancellor Gorkon's flagship was a K'T'INGA refit (Kronos One), took two hits on her dorsal hull from photons and still came about to stomp a mud hole in someone.

Chekov: "If they fire, with our shields down..."

Chekov was worried if they took A hit, with no shields?? After Kronos One took TWO and still came about kinda mad??? Kinda speaks of the K'T'INGA'a reputation for being a badass.
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# 33
06-24-2011, 12:48 PM
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ST:VI Undiscovered Country shows Chancellor Gorkon's flagship was a K'T'INGA refit (Kronos One), took two hits on her dorsal hull from photons and still came about to stomp a mud hole in someone.

Chekov: "If they fire, with our shields down..."

Chekov was worried if they took A hit, with no shields?? After Kronos One took TWO and still came about kinda mad??? Kinda speaks of the K'T'INGA'a reputation for being a badass.
The K't'inga was not really damaged by the two torps.
Which was not the intention anyway since it was only enough to disable grvitiy for a while.
There is no point in blowing up the ship Chang is aboard himself.
Also the BoP seemed to use torpedoes very similar to the Starfleet model, otherwise the damage pattern would have been noticably different.
There is also the possiblity that the torpedo yield was intentionally limited to keep damage to the ship contained to gravity.
Otherwise there would have probably been bigger explosions too.
Have you looked at the caliber of the torpedo launcher the K't'inga has?
Take a look at these two pictures and compare for yourself:

Measly little Federation launcher:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...it_torpedo.jpg

Three decks large Klingon model, firing 30 meter torpedoes:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...rd_torpedo.jpg

So the immerdiate punch is probably considerable.
Which would explain why Chekov said "When they fire with our shields down, we will not be able to respond."
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# 34
06-24-2011, 12:51 PM
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The D-8 is the fourth and final iteration on the classic Dírell type hull whose evolution apparently began with the D-4. It is for all intents and purposes a heavily uprated D-7, with an improved shielding system and photon torpedoes in place of its disruptors. Coupled with the Dírell hullís proven maneuverability these upgrades make the D-8 a worthy foe for Star Fleetís new linear warp refitted starships.
The D-8 was first seen in action during the VíGer Crisis of 2267. As VíGer made its way across Klingon space a trio of D-8 battlecruisers unsuccessfully attempted to engage it near the Organian Treaty Zone. All three vessels were destroyed in the process; however, extensive intelligence was gathered on the encounter by the nearby Epsilon 9 monitor station (which was itself destroyed by VíGer shortly thereafter). Analysis of the data confirmed that the Klingons were keeping pace with Federation starship technology and that in a fair fight the D-8 would prove to be a formidable opponent. In practice the D-8 has proven to be the Klingon equivalent of the Enterprise class heavy cruiser, once again establishing relative parity between the two interstellar powers for a time.
The D-8 is currently the mainstay of the Klingon battlecruiser fleet. It has replaced both of its predecessors, the D-6 and D-7, on the Klingon production schedule and has all but replaced them in major fleet operations. As all of these are brand new, fitted with the latest in Klingon starship technology advances, the D-8 will most likely remain a common sight for decades to come.
I should have guessed Mandel. Sounded pretty familiar.
The use of the term "Enterprise Class" also makes it pretty clear that this comes from the time around Star Trek 2, where that term was used by FASA as well.
Yes some nice reading but ultimately not much more weight to it than the stuff you or I can come up with.
I wrote some fan fiction when I was making ships for the Babylon 5 Wars Tabletop game.
I even invented an entire development history for the Kelvin type, but ultimately it's just that, fan-fiction.
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# 35
06-24-2011, 12:55 PM
dontdrunkimshoot, thank you very much for the extensive reply.
I'm stuck with a whole lot of work ATM and will probably not get a chance to write a proper response I feel is needed to cover all angels I'd like to comment for the next...I guess 40 hours.
But I'd like to say that I'm looking forward to continuing this dialogue on sunday.
Just something I'd like to add right now: the scenario from SFB "The Mighty Hood goes down" involves three D7's.
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# 36
06-24-2011, 08:04 PM
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The K't'inga was not really damaged by the two torps.
Which was not the intention anyway since it was only enough to disable grvitiy for a while.
There is no point in blowing up the ship Chang is aboard himself.
those torpedo hits landed ether side of the ships reactor dome, those were direct hits on engineering. all that did was knock out main power for a minute (and gravity), and make it mad.

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dontdrunkimshoot, thank you very much for the extensive reply.
I'm stuck with a whole lot of work ATM and will probably not get a chance to write a proper response I feel is needed to cover all angels I'd like to comment for the next...I guess 40 hours.
But I'd like to say that I'm looking forward to continuing this dialogue on sunday.
Just something I'd like to add right now: the scenario from SFB "The Mighty Hood goes down" involves three D7's.
just shows you how little i know about all that old SFB content. i drew a little from that old stuff, but i didn't want to go over board. all that stuff is completely uncanon, but it can be used to creatively fill in some blanks, but not at the expense of established canon. if you have some more blanks to fill in though, or a better way to handle an empty stretch of time, it would be interesting to hear for sure.
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# 37
06-26-2011, 06:28 AM
I just had an idea while lamenting the lack of Science ships: why not have the K'tinga be a Nebula that cloaks rather than having the tachyon grid? It could keep the 4 forward 2 aft weapon slots it had at T3, the universal bridge slot would represent the fact it's still something of a work horse, and grant extra utitlity to the non-science career paths, and the KDF would have a science ship that's not the Varanus or a Bird of Prey moonlighting as one. Also, having a "science ship hull" would represent the limitations of the K'tinga space frame, while the added shields would represent the advances i shield technology that could be applied to it. This idea kills at least two birds with one photon torpedo. It also solves the problem of "how can a ship that size be a cruiser at T5?". Stats exist and work as far as balance is concerend, and the model, though it's broken in some aspects (turquoise engine nacelle illumination and the red "grille" on top of the engineering hull have visuals at a distance, but not close up), also exists.

Very easy for Cryptic to implement!

What do you guys think?
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# 38
06-26-2011, 06:40 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i could almost buy that, but i would want to see some visual upgrades like a bigger deflector on the front of it and a bunch or extra armor, maybe an antenna or 2? it would be a real mad scientist special. could be great.

i also have long thought that the tier 5 nebula should have 4/2 weapon slots too, note the huge array up front and half as many small arrays as the galaxy has aft
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# 39
06-26-2011, 06:54 AM
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i could almost buy that, but i would want to see some visual upgrades like a bigger deflector on the front of it and a bunch or extra armor, maybe an antenna or 2? it would be a real mad scientist special. could be great.

i also have long thought that the tier 5 nebula should have 4/2 weapon slots too, note the huge array up front and half as many small arrays as the galaxy has aft
I'm not sure why it'd need the extra armour, it'd only have 7500 more HP, and BoPs and Varanus's and Vo'quvs aren't covered with antenas or large deflectors. But it could be cool, I think maybe putting a "ring" of glowy bits around the torp tube might work in that regard, a bit like how birds of prey or the Vor'cha variant have, but maybe a less regular shape similar to the armour plates on Qo'nos One from ST-VI.

K'tinga Advanced Battle Cruiser perhaps? With all the sciency stuff it'd be able to do I'm sure it could justify the advanced prefix better than the Excelsior.

Edit: I took into account speccing into the K'tinga with my figures by mistake.
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# 40
06-26-2011, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ebeneezergoode
I just had an idea while lamenting the lack of Science ships: why not have the K'tinga be a Nebula that cloaks rather than having the tachyon grid? It could keep the 4 forward 2 aft weapon slots it had at T3, the universal bridge slot would represent the fact it's still something of a work horse, and grant extra utitlity to the non-science career paths, and the KDF would have a science ship that's not the Varanus or a Bird of Prey moonlighting as one. Also, having a "science ship hull" would represent the limitations of the K'tinga space frame, while the added shields would represent the advances i shield technology that could be applied to it. This idea kills at least two birds with one photon torpedo. It also solves the problem of "how can a ship that size be a cruiser at T5?". Stats exist and work as far as balance is concerend, and the model, though it's broken in some aspects (turquoise engine nacelle illumination and the red "grille" on top of the engineering hull have visuals at a distance, but not close up), also exists.

Very easy for Cryptic to implement!

What do you guys think?
Well, since we both posted in another thread back before the Battlecruiser subforums were closed down I guess you know my idea (a "Light Battlecruiser").

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...5&postcount=14

along with my long-winded reasoning

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...1&postcount=88

Well your idea does have the charm of being somewhat based in Trek when we look at the IKS T'Ong from TNG:Emissary where a K't'inga was used for a long-range operation of some sort.
So they are useable for lon range investigative missions of some sort.

The model probelm was not actually existent at first.
At some point they reversed the low-quality and the high-quality model which are displayed at different viewing distances.
But since it is a problem that affects the Klingons there is no need to be bothered with fixing it.
Same ges for the still-missing aft Photon Torpedo tube which the K't'inga has had since 1978.

What exactly did you have in mind statwise?
Commander Science, LtC Engineering?
Or perhaps since the K't'inag is an old warhorse Commander Science with LtC Tactical?
In any case to be effective as a science ship it would be good if it had 4 Science consoles.
Perhaps a console and maneuverability layout siilar to the RSSV would work.
Meaning a little buff in agility over the T3 K't'inga similar to what I describe in my long-winded speech.
Howeve in both your and my case the K't'inga would not gain much hull.
But that is probably not that bad since it is lighter than a Nova.

Assuming there is still room for a special ability in addition to the cloak, how about the Anti-Proton scanner from my Scout-Raptor Proposal?
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