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# 1391
09-18-2011, 05:23 PM
There was a few episodes of Section 31 before they were Section 31 in Enterprise. I believe they were trying to recruit Malcolm Reed into their organization.
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# 1392
09-18-2011, 05:40 PM
I say bring on the MACOs. I doubt Starfleet Security is trained for offensive boarding actions and long-term fortification of remote outposts. Just like the Marines fall under the Navy, so does MACO fall under Starfleet.
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# 1393
09-18-2011, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Aisling
Macos are elite soldiers, they were the "starfleet security" basically. The Redshirts. Section 31 is kinda like the CIA, James Bond and Navy Seals all rolled into one. If the Maco were disbanded, it is likely that S31 would recruit them.
Okay, I see where you're approaching that idea from now, and, yes, it does seem plausible that Section 31 would want to recruit some former ground forces (whether their organization was called MACO, Starfleet Marines, or wasn't even nominally a separate group at all with a distinct name). From the way you phrased it before, I was picturing Section 31 absorbing whole-sale such a ground force, which doesn't seem to fit with the intelligence angle - they wouldn't need an army, after all, just a (relatively) few operatives with military experience.
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# 1394
09-18-2011, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by psychogobstopper
Okay, I see where you're approaching that idea from now, and, yes, it does seem plausible that Section 31 would want to recruit some former ground forces (whether their organization was called MACO, Starfleet Marines, or wasn't even nominally a separate group at all with a distinct name). From the way you phrased it before, I was picturing Section 31 absorbing whole-sale such a ground force, which doesn't seem to fit with the intelligence angle - they wouldn't need an army, after all, just a (relatively) few operatives with military experience.
It's doubtful that an intelligence group that wants anonymity would keep standing ground forces.
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# 1395
09-18-2011, 11:39 PM
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I like the idea of Starfleet marines, but personally I think they got turned into Section 31. MACOs were supposed to be the defensive ground support on away missions back when UFP was still a baby. Now that we have hundreds of worlds in the federation and millions of people the ships crew can defend themselves.

However I would like to see Section 31 related missions... at least one or two.
Section 31 has nothing to do with MACOs. Section 31 is a secret society, basically. At best a secret arm of Starfleet, most likely strictly speaking illegal even. They will certainly not serve as ground or boarding troops. They act as spies and saboteurs.

Of course some people might want secret-ops style missions (be it for Duty Officers or player characters). But that doesn't require Section 31 either. There is still Starfleet Intelligence, the actual intelligence service for Starfleet or the Federation.
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# 1396
09-18-2011, 11:43 PM
Section 31 is to Starfleet, what the Obsidian Order was to the Cardassian Military, or the Tal Shiar to the Romulan Navy.

Similar to "Starfleet Intelligence", but with a more clandestine attitude, and an unwavering conviction to protect the "empire" from itself.
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# 1397
09-19-2011, 12:35 AM
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However I would like to see Section 31 related missions... at least one or two.
I respectfully disagree. We have Section 31 missions both in the romulan and cardassian arc, as well as a full feature series. That is quite enough. I would rather see a Starfleet Intelligence mission NOT involving Section 31 for a change.

Following that train of thoughts Section 31 assignments would be a NO GO too. Maybe one very rare assignment on top of the category tree but I cannot imagine Section 31 handing out assignments like candy. Doesn't go along with the secret society thing.
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# 1398
09-19-2011, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Heretic
Nothing directly has so far been built into the system; ground assignments requiring military force use Security department duty officers.

The canonicalness of MACOs in the modern era of Star Trek is one of those hotly-contested questions that I personally try to sidestep where possible.
MACOs are in Needs of the Many...so they are indeed incorporated into STO's timeline
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# 1399
09-19-2011, 12:49 AM
I've read through the OP (all 5 of 'em! ) twice now and I gotta say I'm really excited to see this new mechanic. I know it's a (beautifully) disguised TCG but it looks like a great way to while away the time between STF's.

Can't wait!
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# 1400
09-19-2011, 06:56 AM
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I respectfully disagree. We have Section 31 missions both in the romulan and cardassian arc, as well as a full feature series. That is quite enough. I would rather see a Starfleet Intelligence mission NOT involving Section 31 for a change.

Following that train of thoughts Section 31 assignments would be a NO GO too. Maybe one very rare assignment on top of the category tree but I cannot imagine Section 31 handing out assignments like candy. Doesn't go along with the secret society thing.
You make it sound like we got a S31 mission in every sector of space... :p we didn't, I think we only got two. And I wasnt asking for more regular style missions, but Doff assignments. One or two assignments would be perfectly fine. They shouldn't pop up immediately and they should only pop up once.

I think it would be kinda cool if you got a doff mission from them, and then you get a critical success rate (not sure how you win it), and then S31 approaches sometime later and wants to recruit the officer that finished the mission.

You would loose the doff of course, but you should get a reward that makes up for it.
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