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# 11
06-24-2011, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
Ya know you can hear all that "buffing"....lol. They all make sounds when someone is behind you getting ready to hit you...

Its all about shield mitigation, and quick response time. A tac team or RSP will allow you to survive the really scary alpha's 90% of the time if you can pop them quick enough. The last thing this game needs is more nerfs to DPS ships/abilities. Healing and resistances are extreme in this game, w/o a sci around it can be close to impossible to kill some zombie cruisers.

About the hacking thing, Hax is just something ppl say in this game when they don't understand how they died. While they're are some bugs ect that tend to be exploited, I have yet to experience any "hacks"...and If they were in game, the forum would be the last place you'd want to discuss them, not only because its against the forums rules and regs, but because then pvp would be ruined while we wait for patches ect... submitting a bug report would be the way to go.....if in fact thats whats actually going on, which again, in 1 1/2 years of playing this game i've never seen.
True that. Got some new speakers and knew of the technique. One day in PvP I heard something buffing but saw no one on my team buffing. Started to stack my defenses while I moved closer to the core of the group. Funny thing that attack did not happen. Instead they grouped up and dropped cloak to attack en masse a few minutes later. It's kinda cool looking back at it.
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# 12
06-24-2011, 07:53 AM
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I hope they don't, the sudden devestating attack from cloak is pratically a hallmark of cloaking vessels. it's very thematic
It would be a hallmark of cloaked vessels if it were possible to catch us with our shields down in STO. Since it isn't its a bit on the silly side.

Edit: I would actually support having to manually raise shields.
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# 13
06-24-2011, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiaran

Edit: I would actually support having to manually raise shields.
With as clunky as the UI is these days I would not put my survival in to something I may need to hit 5 times to get it to go off. Just saying.

A piece of advice this applies to CNH more than arenas but is true across the board, never stop moving I fly a Raptor and I have fraps of single trics taking out ships of every size and the one common thing with all these 50K kill shots is they were sitting still. Capping in CnH does not happen faster if you are sitting still you have a area you have to control so stay circling at highest speed you are comfortable with maybe speed bar at full but not at full impulse.
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# 14
06-24-2011, 11:13 AM
Yeah those hits are out there. The other day in an arena I hit btb crits twice. Not much you can do if you are not running epts or your TSS is on cooldown when you get hit with a 20k+ BO3 and a 20k+ quantum.

Catching a sci ship without those shield hardening skills out there is what I look for when timing a strike. If you are running aegis and the +35 shield console you should be sitting at around 16.5k-17k shields which can be the toughest to take down.

Running a tac team or rsp will also counter that sometimes. When shield tanking in a sci I like to use this combo..... TSS + tac team or ST3 + TSS. Set up to be able to run that twice. Either one.

But sometimes those shots hit big. My antiproton dbb is +40 crit and rear array is +60 crit. BO3 is nasty when the stars align with those.

See you on the battlefield.
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# 15
06-24-2011, 11:40 AM
@the OP

Easy peasy. Done it a million times. Attacks from decloak can be brutal if the player is experienced enough to get their timings right.
I will state, for the record, it is more than likely possible you can hack the STO client. There are "mods" out there that change the UI and are effectively client hacks.
That said, given the description you have provided, it sounds pretty routine, and well within normal bounds.

BO3 can hit for 40k, which is almost certainly more than the hull you have on your ship. The first volley from CRF3 buffed with all available tac buffs will destroy one facing shield. The BO3 will then turn you in to space debris with room to spare.

I have used the technique successfully against ALL classes of ship.

The more you play PvP and encounter higher end cloaked escort captains, the more often you will encounter this.

I will give you one piece of advice. If you are in a scenario where you know, or have reason to believe there are cloaked ships, you want to be running your buffs constantly. Chaining 2 copies of EPTS for example, will permanently harden your shields, and mitigate much of the damage. It is not enough to be reactive, you need to proactive. There is almost no time to react to cloaked ambushes, and the time it takes you to click a power is too great. You want a macro to pop defensive buffs immediately, for those situations you ARE caught off guard, so that pressing one key, will immediately put you on to shield power mode and fire off whatever heals/buffs you so desire. But again, you ideally want to be pre-buffed against attack.

Typically I will also stay in shield power setting until I start attacking an enemy. High shield power will also negate a fair portion of the damage and give you more time to respond. Never sit around a flag and not be on shield power is my motto.

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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Geoff my friend, I'm afraid you are a victim of a Cloaked Ambush attack.
[Azurian hits you with Cloaked Ambush Complaint III for 10 bajillion kinetic damage]


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Originally Posted by piwright42 View Post
True that. Got some new speakers and knew of the technique. One day in PvP I heard something buffing but saw no one on my team buffing. Started to stack my defenses while I moved closer to the core of the group. Funny thing that attack did not happen. Instead they grouped up and dropped cloak to attack en masse a few minutes later. It's kinda cool looking back at it.
It is an invaluable skill, listening.

I am so attuned to the sound of a decloaking ship I immediately go on high alert at the sound. Makes me a bit skittish sometimes as I react to my own allies cloaks sometimes, but better safe than sorry. Also the sound of buffs, I have been in that scenario before. Usually however, they still attack, it just ends up failing since I was aware they were there. In a sci ship (which he was in) you can see them through cloak if they get close enough too. Always keep that camera moving and see what is around you.
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# 16
06-24-2011, 11:57 AM
I'm jealous now......looks like I need to get some haxxorz just to be competetive!
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# 17
06-24-2011, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MajorFury View Post
I'm jealous now......looks like I need to get some haxxorz just to be competetive!

Oh come on you do need to hack to take yourself down to their levels just use one cannon and turret on your raptor. Hax are not needed
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# 18
06-24-2011, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff_484
Tthanks guys!

I just been pvping for a while and never got taken out this quickly so it just had me weirded out. I mostly wanted to know if this is common and can be done legally, I really didn't want to report him unless other players came on this thread and said "Yeah, there's something fishy about that"..
Well, unless someone hacks an account to steal money from you or Cryptic, it won't be illegal, but it can be against the EULA and will lead to a ban. In fact, it is against the rules of the forum themselves to discuss exploits and hacks (as it invites people to try it themselves). If it seems fishy, your only real option is to report it via a GM ticket.

But I'd say 99.9 % or more of these cases (even taking into account that 35 % of all statistics are made up on the spot), there isn't anything more fishy going on than a player surprised by an attack and without any good buffs against an enemy with lots of buffs (possibly including a lucky crit).
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# 19
06-24-2011, 04:17 PM
nah theres no real haxxing.

exept those damn tsi hackers

there's exploits though.. but i only know of 1 major that's not currently fixed. do i getz ban noaw?
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# 20
06-24-2011, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
Ya know you can hear all that "buffing"....lol. They all make sounds when someone is behind you getting ready to hit you...

Its all about shield mitigation, and quick response time. A tac team or RSP will allow you to survive the really scary alpha's 90% of the time if you can pop them quick enough. The last thing this game needs is more nerfs to DPS ships/abilities. Healing and
You realize you only hear a cloaked player buffing if they are closer than 5km, and smart PvPers know this by buffing up at the last second, then unleashing destructive halefire at 5km.

As for Tac Team or RSP, it does you no good if you are already tanking other players and on cooldown.

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I hope they don't, the sudden devestating attack from cloak is pratically a hallmark of cloaking vessels. it's very thematic
Only in STO ........and Star Wars. :p
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