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# 1 Sci Ship Imbalance
07-02-2011, 12:56 AM
Hull Repair platforms are absolutely worthless.

Either

A. Get rid of this worthless ability so that Varanus captains don't need to lose a valuable engineering console for it.

or

B. Make it a universal console (eg. MVAM) so anyone with half a brain can elect not to use it.

or

C. Make the ability actually useful. Drastically higher repair rate and not sharing a cool-down with mine weapons would a good place to start.

Better yet, do B + C.

Intrepid is the best science ship in the game (best turn rate, best boff layout, easily the best ability in the game), and ablative still desperately needs a nerf (the previous "nerf" actually made it stronger!) yet on the Klingon side we have a poor man's DSSV -- 1 less engineering slot with absolutely nothing to show for it. At the very least just give us a non-gimped DSSV clone please!
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# 2
07-02-2011, 01:16 AM
I'm of the opinion the KDF shouldn't have Science Ships at all (and that likewise, Feds should not have Carriers), but since we already have it.. I agree 100% with a combination of B and C. This ship is a complete waste of space as it currently stands.
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# 3
07-02-2011, 01:30 AM
Bah, feds have sci ships, kdf has bops. But....i would also like to see all special abiltieis as consoles, so everyone has choice if to use it or not....
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# 4
07-02-2011, 01:33 AM
Seems to be the typical excuse when people bring up how horribly OP the Intrepid and MVAM currently are.

"But, Klingons have BoPs!"

News flash: MVAM is a better escort than the BoP. Intrepid is a better sci ship than the BoP. About the only advantage KDF has left are the carriers.... but those always tend to do better against pugs than they do organized teams (in fact, the fighter spam is probably too powerful and definitely too annoying used when against pugs, hence why a lot of players who aren't good PvPers are always complaining about it)

The biggest issue with special abilities is that there are only two that are worth losing a console over: MVAM mode (especially since you can chose which slot to lose), and Ablative. Of all the special abilities though, none are as completely worthless as hull repair drones.
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# 5
07-02-2011, 01:40 AM
*shrug*, you were speaking about Intrepid, now you speak about MVAE. You thread should be "nerf Intrepid and MVAE" instead then, to not confuse the others.

Oh and Tachyon grid is even more worthless than Hull repair drones. hence i said, Make special abiltieis console, and give console slots to some ship instead, to make them more worthwhile.

Beside, im not arguing whats OP and whats not (i leave that to whiners). Im just saying klingons shouldnt get a full fledged science ship like intrepid and feds should not have BoP or carriers.

I was just saying, that the special ability to console conversion could be made for all ships. So basically I'm agreeing with you Jorf. I already said the same about the Noobula special ability months ago.
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# 6
07-02-2011, 02:12 AM
To be fair, the detection grid has its situational uses against cloak heavy teams. You can also use it as a tool to lag people out :p

But besides those two points, yes, tachyon grid is another ability I would not want to lose a console slot to. One difference between it and the Varanus is that there is no other ship with the same specs as the Nebula but without the wasted console. With the Varanus there is, it's called the DSSV. At least with the nebula you still have a ton of HP and a Lt universal station that is unique to you. Another thing that makes the Varanus situation especially vexing is that although you can switch to an Intrepid, Klingon's do not have that luxury. We have one under-performing science ship that we're stuck with.

Let's not get hung up on the small things though, I'll agree with you that special ship abilities should all be console based like the MVAM, although I think the Varanus is the ship with the most urgent need for it.
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# 7
07-02-2011, 02:22 AM
Yes, grid is "useful" in FvK pvp only. And only sometimes, because you need to be science officer also to have sensor scan. For engi or tac the ability is somewhat wasted, unless you have CPB which it at least boosts a bit.

While the repair drones have their (even questioned effect) in pve and all pvp regardless of captain career.

We can argue whats worse, but i would take the repair drones over the tachyon grid any day. But yes we can agree that all specials should be turned to consoles, and their ships compensated with extra console slot.

Oh and while we are at it, i will gladly swap my cloak on dreadnought for tactical console slot and cloak as tactical console :p
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# 8
07-02-2011, 02:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalnar
Im just saying klingons shouldnt get a full fledged science ship like intrepid and feds should not have BoP or carriers.
Yeah, but we got a sci ship anyways, least the devs could do is make it not suck :p
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# 9
07-02-2011, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasensal
Yeah, but we got a sci ship anyways, least the devs could do is make it not suck :p
Ye thats probably true. I just dread giving klingons intrepid clone, because feds would want carrier. And i trully hate npcs in combat. Not because they are powerful or OP, but because they clutter screen, make it shake, are noisy and make me headaches.
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# 10
07-02-2011, 03:02 AM
Making it a console sounds fine to me.

And if you want to change the ability to be better, for starters, please stop it with all those damn pets.

Let us drop one healing platform, and anyone within a certain range of it gets some kind of buff. Maybe something like Dampening Field and maybe one Hazard Emitters to the most damaged target every minute or so. give the platform some shields and hull to make it last a while, and then we might be done.
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