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# 51
07-05-2011, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Only on one character. :p

But the one thing I hate the most in STO PvP is how easily Cannon Escorts can go through player shields, even when buffed. That's exactly why new players often regard the Klingons as OP, because all that focus fire with cannons. And getting out of that firing arc is the only real way to buy you time.

The only ones that benefit from this is Escorts, which will further encourage more players to play escorts than cruisers and science ships because there will not be any way to escape.

I beg to differ there are escorts and cruisers here that I can barely scratch their paint if I mis time an alpha. And there are cruisers I can kill half way through my buff up. It is all about timing your self heals and about timing an alpha.
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# 52
07-05-2011, 08:46 PM
Yeah, I ran into such people too. But I never complained when players got out of my firing angle, I'd just reposition myself.


But the only people who are going to benefit are Cannon Escorts, because people who sprial upward are doing it because they know they are going to die, and they know they can't tank against that person. That's why I hope Cryptic doesn't listen to this request, because if Cannon Escorts can shoot up or down, then that means PvP is going to be nothing but an Escort game. The only people who will be flying Cruisers or Science ships are those who are either newbs or people who have very strong heal builds.

Now if they nerf cannons and heals, then I wouldn't mind an increase in pitch.
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# 53
07-05-2011, 10:55 PM
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When it comes to increasing the angle, I honestly have to say "NO", not until Cryptic lowers the DPS of cannons. Spiraling up has saved me many times from cannon escorts, since I'm not at the level of tanking with immunity like TSI.
Seriously? If cannon damage is nerfed further, then there is no point at all in using them, as the drawbacks of the low arc (and they exist even without the flight angle exploit Azurian is fond of using apparantly) are not compensated by anything.

Here's a simple fix for Azurian then - increase all dual cannon arcs to 90 and their DPS to that of a DBB.
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# 54
07-06-2011, 11:38 AM
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Seriously? If cannon damage is nerfed further, then there is no point at all in using them, as the drawbacks of the low arc (and they exist even without the flight angle exploit Azurian is fond of using apparantly) are not compensated by anything.

Here's a simple fix for Azurian then - increase all dual cannon arcs to 90 and their DPS to that of a DBB.
Please, Escorts aren't that weak. Especially when everyone flies them. PvP is nothing but Starfighter online.

And the only way you survive against escorts is having heal stacking up the wazzoo, which is pathetic.
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# 55
07-06-2011, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Please, Escorts aren't that weak. Especially when everyone flies them. PvP is nothing but Starfighter online.

And the only way you survive against escorts is having heal stacking up the wazzoo, which is pathetic.

Uh the only way I surviv is with borg procs and a pocket healer. I am one of the few escorts that can live with respawning. I fly into the thick of battle and stay there, eith er I come out on top or respawn. But Az you may be coming up against the Voldermort bug that was never really fixed.
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# 56
07-06-2011, 12:28 PM
What Valdomort bug? I'm just saying how I feel, I honestly do think Escorts in STO are over the top.

It's why Klingons are always thought of being OP, and I can guarantee if Cryptic nerfs TT and Heals, Cruiser and SSs are going to be more in trouble than Escorts with such a nerf.

I know you all disagree, but I'm confidient this will be the case. So if angles are increased, it just doing to encourage people to play escorts more so than they do now. And it's bad enough being shot at by 3 or 4 escorts, which even tanking has no chance (unless you're TSI or in a team).
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# 57
07-06-2011, 12:43 PM
A competent Cruiser pilot can easily tank multiple cannon wielding escorts without having to resort to exploits. So if a couple of cannon boats are coming at you, ideally you would then be required to resort to broken mechanics or leveling the playing field by seeking a team of your own.

Cannons aren't overpowered, teamwork is. Teamwork is a viable solution to teamwork. Exploiting poorly thought out or broken mechanics is a crutch. It works in a pinch but it's not in the best interest of the gaming community.
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# 58
07-06-2011, 01:25 PM
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What Valdomort bug? I
Lets just say you can still have 2 shields.
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# 59
07-06-2011, 01:25 PM
RSF > Cannon DPS even multiple ships pouring Cannon DPS in.

Stop flying a tac in a cruiser. You're never going to match an engie's durability.

Non Vorcha and Excelsior cruisers are for Science and Engineers, that can jack their resistances.

Also, most people fly cruisers because they are so stupidly easy to stay alive in. Especially with RSP, RSF, and Miracle worker in their back pockets. Then those same lamecruiser captains can crank the damage up with broken FAW, EPTW, EPS power Transfer and Nadion Inversion. These are also the same lamecruisers that don't do their friggin job and heal the escort 9/10 times.
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# 60
07-06-2011, 01:51 PM
Even as a tac in a vorcha I find tanking escorts to be silly easy 99% of the time. Here's a tip I see a lot of flimsy cruiser caps do, don't freak out and use all your heals all at once. Also, your a cruiser, ad heals to your build. If your running eptwIII, ewpIII, demIII, it's no wonder you are dieing. Put at least one high ranking defense boff ability in your build. At the very least.
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