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# 1 Confused...Just a Bit.
06-16-2011, 09:21 PM
Okay.

I went from feeling hopeful to wondering if something else is going on.

I am seeing tons of threads in other forums, and even in this forum, regarding merging the KDF and Federation factions, or both factions joining in a full alliance against the Borg, etc. etc.

Oddly enough...I see a LOT of people in favor of these ideas.....and oddly enough, very few of those people are names that I recognize as dedicated KDF players.

Furthermore...Mr. Stahl dropped a hint or two in the Priority One broadcast that some sort of KDF-Federation co-op play might just be in the works. No details -- I speculate that it could be a special mission in an episode or some such...but some Federation players are taking these statements to mean that there is either an end to the war, and an alliance soon after, or a faction merge at some point.

I know that most (probably all) of us are no more informed about what is being considered than the next guy...and I also know that is not proper to ask for a Dev response, although I do hope that a Dev might take some interest in this thread and comment.

However, perhaps if we have a serious discussion regarding these ideas amongst the dedicated KDF players, we can let our positions be known one way or another.

I will get the ball rolling on this -- I think that most folks who have read my occasional posts in the past regarding this issue know where I stand. I am not in favor of an alliance OR a faction merge, for whatever reason. I like the model behind a multi-faction game, and I think that should the factions merge, or become allies on the same side, that the game would lose an important flavor and element. I also think that should a faction merge or alliance be in the works, then you can basically kiss the Romulan faction, or any other possible future faction goodbye. Just my opinion.

So...what do you think? I know that this thread is likely to attract some of the posters in other threads that I have been seeing that are pushing this idea...and to be honest, it almost seems like there is some sort of organized effort in play to make this happen through forum influence. I certainly hope that is not the case...but there has been an awful lot of this business lately, and it is quickly becoming a regular theme.

i would like to hear from the guys who primarily play KDF -- not the Federation player that happens to have a LC Klingon that they never leveled. I want to hear from the dedicated LTGs I see in game and at Qo'nos. My instincts tell me that the idea of a faction merge is not something that the majority of dedicated KDF players want...but I still thought I would try to capture the pulse of the real KDF community on this issue.

In any case, thank you for your time. Qap'Lah!
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# 2
06-16-2011, 10:19 PM
I was not fond of the idea to make the Federation and the Klingons enemies again.
When I read about it I simultaneously though that it ws a throwback to TOS and a dumb attempt to copy the "Alliance vs Horde" concept by turning the Klingons into "Space Orcs".

I was a real fan of the alliance between the Klingons and the Federation during TNG and the largest part of DS9.

Please note: "alliance".

I am against making the Klingon Empire an 'appendix' of the Federation.
Other games had them as allies without doing so and I enjoyed it there.

They can PvP against the Federation in the same "Wargames"-style scenarion they can now.

Future playable factions can still be antagonists IMO.
The Klingons and the Romulans would probably never become big friends and will always be busting their heads together.

I realize my point of view is probably not the most popular one but it is how I feel.
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# 3
06-17-2011, 12:08 AM
I'm against merging them, just enable cross faction teaming for STF's only


it should go no further then that.


they need to keep them separate for the eventual release of the romulans so that we will have (one day) 3x faction PVP, hopefully.
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# 4
06-17-2011, 01:15 AM
Merge the factions?!?! The very idea of it is preposterous - NO WAY!

A temporary truce for STFs is ok I guess. I'm not totally thrilled with the idea to be honest, I'd rather see our faction get the attention and output from Cryptic that it deserves making the KDF more attractive to new players, win back previous subscribers, and grow on it's own without having to rely on filler teammates from the blue pill crowd.
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# 5
06-17-2011, 01:39 AM
I am against a faction merger. Allowing the factions to cross team for STF's, feature episode, & private pvp matches should be allowed though. ( for story line reasons, maybe have 1 house merge with the Feds)?
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# 6
06-17-2011, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by amidoinitright View Post
I am against a faction merger. Allowing the factions to cross team for STF's, feature episode, & private pvp matches should be allowed though. ( for story line reasons, maybe have 1 house merge with the Feds)?
This.......
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# 7
06-17-2011, 02:44 AM
At some point in the (distant) future, when STO has half a dozen or so different factions, I'd be willing to accept the Klingons and Federation forming an alliance, so long as they still remain separate factions.

Until that time though, no wholesale alliance or faction merger but I can see joint missions against the Borg (i.e. STFs) benefiting from allowing a temporary truce i.e. cross faction teaming. It might actually encourage some of the Federation players to come and try out the KDF, when they see us using our "toys" with them in battle.

Private PvP matches should allow cross faction teams right away, since you can already have members of the other faction on your side in a private PvP match but can't actually "team" with them for communications purposes. Shuttle Wars being a prime example, we had mixed teams but couldn't actually team up to use the "team" chat.
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# 8
06-17-2011, 03:35 AM
They wont be merged but I think co-play will be implemented just for cross faction teaming
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# 9 Imo
06-17-2011, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyron_Jara
They wont be merged but I think co-play will be implemented just for cross faction teaming
If by co-play you mean the Feds get our ships I'm against that. If we play the same missions I am happy with that.
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# 10
06-17-2011, 04:58 AM
It occurs to me there might already be another thread very similar to this on the board that has already been responded to by a large number of primarily KDF players. Perhaps you can find some of the names you see around Qonos there and get a good grasp of this pulse you are seeking?

But it's certainly a big topic and large enough to ecompass more than one thread so lets see if we can make this post unique by encouraging a more nuanced discussion. Based on the other posts made about this topic, I suspect the majority of people will be in favor of some degree of 'cooperative play' but opposed to an entire faction scrap so I'm going to provide a list of in game situations and it would be helpful if people mentioned whether they supported communal grouping and cooperative play here or opposed it.

STFs, nothing much to say about this, if you think your Klingon should be able to work side by side with the Federation to get "Infected" done, tell the board. I agree this would work and pretty much everyone else I've seen comment on it agrees too, this is the one section of the game that is most likely to be brought together into cooperative play and it's also likely the only thing Dstahl is talking about with vague references to faction peace given that Gozer's been working on 'fixing STF's' for a little while now.

Featured Episodes, not quite the same as an STF, mostly faction agnostic after you pick up the quest and before you turn it in. Although going this route would appear to make the developers less likely to further differentiate the featured episodes into something faction specific. So we all become less likely to get a chance to back hand the next science officer who complains that we delivered her 'nerve tonic' in a shot glass. I don't seek out people to do featured episodes with and so I'd honestly prefer to see more faction specific touches, interactions that bring home the fact that you're a member of the Nausicaan Empire and not some peace loving member of the Federation.

PVP queues, this one will be trickier as PVP is not just divided by faction, but further divided by inter- and intra- faction PVP. If they merged the PVP queue's would they get rid of all of the queue's except one? Obviously an option they considered for 'shuttle wars' but how would it hold up for serious end game play? This would be a damage to immersion for a number of players and would get rid of the play opportunities present in pitting your own factions unique strengths and weakeness against eachother. The other option would appear to be adding a fourth queue for completely random PVP, further fracturing the PVP population and lengthening queue times. While I personally think a combined KDF/Fed team taking on another combined KDF/Fed team would be fun, given the current population metrics in game we'd see, on average, 1 Klingon in a 4v4 match. Still, I'd be in favor of a fourth 'merged queue' and not in favor of there being one 'merged queue.'

Private PVP, this one appears to be another no brainer. The game lets people privately arrange PVP matches with mixed teams, so it should allow them to make mixed groups for the duration of the match.

Fleet Actions, obviously this wouldn't work in their current form without heavily editing them or heavily suspending your disbelief. I mean, I know I'm not going to join up with some Starfleet folks to repel the attack on DS9. But if they added more fleet actions against neutral or enemy factions it would be doable for those. But would there be a point to it? I wouldn't want to see them spend too much effort on it, but I wouldn't hate it if it were in the game.

Space encounters, we pretty much already see this in the borg sector so the only change would be to allow players to team up there. But given the singular nature of these encounters and the utter lack of a need to coordinate, would it be necessary to add a 'grouping up' option in there?

Social grouping in neutral territories. I can see RP uses for it and I can't see any reason to be against it. Still, clearly a low priority addition to the game.

Social grouping in non-neutral territories. Another possible addition to the game in response to a potential peace treaty. Should Starfleet be able to group up with some Klingons and have a dance party in the hall of training on Qonos? Should the KDF be able to group up with some Humans and go have a dance party on Sol Station? I'm thinking no, it would require a lot of tinkering to get it so section of space would be opened based on your group leaders faction affiliation and it would have to be that way because the other possibility, that follows as a possible result of 'peace' would be immersion damaging to me.

Opening all territory to both factions regardless of grouping. Without the addition of solid in-game system defenses I don't see how this can work. A Klingon should not be able to go do a fly by of Earth without running a serious risk or at least facing some serious suspicion. Even if they do create 'peace' between the factions, that doesn't mean Starfleet or the KDF would be amenable to a large military force joy riding through the hearts of their respective empires.

Again, I think it would be most productive for people to outline the exact extent to which they would like to see intra-faction cooperation, the exact extent to which they would accept intra-faction cooperation and the point at which it becomes too much.
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