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1. Yep.. had to download and reinstall.. pain in the ***... I've nothing else to play.. so noob move there

2. All weapons are mark elevens.. so a broad side with those weapons, and running with boost to weapons I'm at 120 power so suffering -10 penalty is not much. No its not a -10 per weapon..

3. I've implemented just about every BOF engineer power and Sci power to buff hull and shield work.

4. Having learned that part of my problem was having antiquated equipment I changed them out.. and was gifted a new shield,engine, and deflector set. I said thanks before I'll say it again.. "Thanks"

5. Some one mentioned that I needed to turn my ship when a shield facing goes down... Dude NO FRIGGEN ****!!! Really??? Cruisers aren't rapid turners. Galaxy class ships are even slower.. Sci ships and escorts are the fastest turning ships FED side.

6. I've been in engagements where I've personally observed Bops operating with just a forward shield.. sitting Sationary.. I've come around on them and fired forward phasers on their unprotected side.. and barely made a dent, when in fact their hull meters (Being green) doesn't hardly budge.. now using Mrk 11s at full str.. that shouldn't happen.. Care to elaborate now on what is wrong??

7. I have been whipped out several times from Klingon ships.. That I fully expect..being a sci officer I know what is available.. getting debuffed and hammered by pin pricking drones on top of the sci ships weapons is an experience.. I've worked on countering that.. usually just getting out of the range of the ship for a few seconds..

8. (My opinion) that a bop fires with the same amount of power thats available to a cruiser class.. a much bigger ship. When in fact a bop is a small ship.. so the power output that it has available to it should be considerably less.. so less power.. less punch behind the fire power.. less punch behind the fire power, means less dps into shields. Even less against a ship with almost twice its hull str. There in lies my main complaint about a bop and really it goes for all ships. Each ship in this game operates on the premise of having similar power output as any other.. when the power output SHOULD be compensatory to its size. It would be as you took the antimatter chamber of the Galaxy class Enterprise and putting it into the Defiant.. now reverse that.. put the antimatter chamber of the Defiant into the Galaxy class Enterprise and you'd be lucky to power the holodeck. On a historical note.. take a WWII destroyer and put it up against the Bismarck.. you'd be lucky to get one round out of a thousand into the hull of the Bizmark.

9. I find that most people in this forum section favor KDF and are dedicated KDF players.. a few I say pass between KDF and Fed.. I don't think anyone in here is a dedicated Fed Player as I am. There for have not been in as many pvp matches, and seen/observed what I have and there for probably don't take that into consideration when you decide to "Flame" me.. that's ok.. I bless that off as ignorance.. I on the other hand have played a KDF bop Commander.. took it as far as commander.. thats as far as I needed to, to see the difference. I believe it to be measurable. I've even talked with KDF players who say that having switched to KDF from fed.. they've never looked back.. Considering the lack luster pve content KDF have compared to Fed.. ask yourselves why??? I come up with because there is a significant advantage over FED in the PVP field. You can say oh the Feds whine..and cry.. bla bla bla... Yeah I get that.. But the minute, the very New York minute that some one says that what KDF has Feds should have you all fluff up your feathers and complain that its stupid.. I see that as a demonstration and worry that you'll no longer hold an advantage over feds if that were to happen.

10. There may be Fed fleets that are out there that are great at pvp.. I gurantee you that the collective whole of any fleet is not on as much as I am. I can easily poor in twelve hours a day into any game I play. I'm a retired Military Veteran.. I own my own home, four cars, I've gone to college and started my own photography business. Joining a PVP fed fleet makes no difference.. I don't believe (and I might just be kidding myself) anyone is on and just pvp's as much as I do. If there were such a group of peeps I'd be in the fleet.. I often ask if there is just a pvp fleet open that does nothing but pvp.. yeah.. I get crickets for a reply. 90% of fed players are just PVE content peeps. 9% are pvpers, 8% of those mostly play KDF that leaves 1% who are fed dedicated pvp players.

Now.. you can say I haven't L2p all you want.. really if that were the case I wouldn't have stayed with the game as long as I have. I wouldn't have participated in Open Beta/Early Release and then the actually open of the game. If I didn't l2p I wouldn't have listened to peeps telling me my gear was not adequate and needed to be changed out, If I didn't L2P I wouldn't have accepted the personal challenge of a KDF player to see what I was doing wrong.. and in the end for that KDF player to state.. "I can see why your upset now."

That being said, you can say I have it all wrong.. I'm not right.. I'm stupid.. Frankly I don't care. I know what I'm seeing, I know what I believe to be wrong with the game.. and what I perceive as fractures in the construct of the PVP play of the game.
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# 2
07-07-2011, 11:06 AM
yay my source of free kills is back
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# 3
07-07-2011, 11:09 AM
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yay my source of free kills is back
jerk.... LOL
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# 4
07-07-2011, 11:11 AM
Welcome back.

Now take up Husanak up on his offer and become an asskicker.
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# 5
07-07-2011, 11:23 AM
YaY!!

Altho could not resist including a snippet from yesterday's I QUIT post - " I'm done with it. Sub cancelled.. game uninstalling.. cd's already bent in half and trashed.. which is where this game should have gone a long time ago.... and I'm not going to miss a thing about it."

So yea, welcome back.... /reopens bottle labeled "Tears - Isac Corox"

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# 6
07-07-2011, 11:35 AM
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1. Yep.. had to download and reinstall.. pain in the ***... I've nothing else to play.. so noob move there

2. All weapons are mark elevens.. so a broad side with those weapons, and running with boost to weapons I'm at 120 power so suffering -10 penalty is not much. No its not a -10 per weapon..

3. I've implemented just about every BOF engineer power and Sci power to buff hull and shield work.

4. Having learned that part of my problem was having antiquated equipment I changed them out.. and was gifted a new shield,engine, and deflector set. I said thanks before I'll say it again.. "Thanks"

5. Some one mentioned that I needed to turn my ship when a shield facing goes down... Dude NO FRIGGEN ****!!! Really??? Cruisers aren't rapid turners. Galaxy class ships are even slower.. Sci ships and escorts are the fastest turning ships FED side.

6. I've been in engagements where I've personally observed Bops operating with just a forward shield.. sitting Sationary.. I've come around on them and fired forward phasers on their unprotected side.. and barely made a dent, when in fact their hull meters (Being green) doesn't hardly budge.. now using Mrk 11s at full str.. that shouldn't happen.. Care to elaborate now on what is wrong??

7. I have been whipped out several times from Klingon ships.. That I fully expect..being a sci officer I know what is available.. getting debuffed and hammered by pin pricking drones on top of the sci ships weapons is an experience.. I've worked on countering that.. usually just getting out of the range of the ship for a few seconds..

8. (My opinion) that a bop fires with the same amount of power thats available to a cruiser class.. a much bigger ship. When in fact a bop is a small ship.. so the power output that it has available to it should be considerably less.. so less power.. less punch behind the fire power.. less punch behind the fire power, means less dps into shields. Even less against a ship with almost twice its hull str. There in lies my main complaint about a bop and really it goes for all ships. Each ship in this game operates on the premise of having similar power output as any other.. when the power output SHOULD be compensatory to its size. It would be as you took the antimatter chamber of the Galaxy class Enterprise and putting it into the Defiant.. now reverse that.. put the antimatter chamber of the Defiant into the Galaxy class Enterprise and you'd be lucky to power the holodeck. On a historical note.. take a WWII destroyer and put it up against the Bismarck.. you'd be lucky to get one round out of a thousand into the hull of the Bizmark.

9. I find that most people in this forum section favor KDF and are dedicated KDF players.. a few I say pass between KDF and Fed.. I don't think anyone in here is a dedicated Fed Player as I am. There for have not been in as many pvp matches, and seen/observed what I have and there for probably don't take that into consideration when you decide to "Flame" me.. that's ok.. I bless that off as ignorance.. I on the other hand have played a KDF bop Commander.. took it as far as commander.. thats as far as I needed to, to see the difference. I believe it to be measurable. I've even talked with KDF players who say that having switched to KDF from fed.. they've never looked back.. Considering the lack luster pve content KDF have compared to Fed.. ask yourselves why??? I come up with because there is a significant advantage over FED in the PVP field. You can say oh the Feds whine..and cry.. bla bla bla... Yeah I get that.. But the minute, the very New York minute that some one says that what KDF has Feds should have you all fluff up your feathers and complain that its stupid.. I see that as a demonstration and worry that you'll no longer hold an advantage over feds if that were to happen.

10. There may be Fed fleets that are out there that are great at pvp.. I gurantee you that the collective whole of any fleet is not on as much as I am. I can easily poor in twelve hours a day into any game I play. I'm a retired Military Veteran.. I own my own home, four cars, I've gone to college and started my own photography business. Joining a PVP fed fleet makes no difference.. I don't believe (and I might just be kidding myself) anyone is on and just pvp's as much as I do. If there were such a group of peeps I'd be in the fleet.. I often ask if there is just a pvp fleet open that does nothing but pvp.. yeah.. I get crickets for a reply. 90% of fed players are just PVE content peeps. 9% are pvpers, 8% of those mostly play KDF that leaves 1% who are fed dedicated pvp players.

Now.. you can say I haven't L2p all you want.. really if that were the case I wouldn't have stayed with the game as long as I have. I wouldn't have participated in Open Beta/Early Release and then the actually open of the game. If I didn't l2p I wouldn't have listened to peeps telling me my gear was not adequate and needed to be changed out, If I didn't L2P I wouldn't have accepted the personal challenge of a KDF player to see what I was doing wrong.. and in the end for that KDF player to state.. "I can see why your upset now."

That being said, you can say I have it all wrong.. I'm not right.. I'm stupid.. Frankly I don't care. I know what I'm seeing, I know what I believe to be wrong with the game.. and what I perceive as fractures in the construct of the PVP play of the game.
2) if you think the fact that you have MX XI somehow is better then having MK VI you don't understand the dmg mechanics.... your weapony is going to make very little diffrence. It will help but it won't be 10x better then running MK VI in PvP and I'm not exagerating

3) its about finding the right combos... then timing them to have max resists for as long as you can... it is also about balancing your build so you can still do dmg... full weapon power or not, you need to debuff or remove your targets defense values. (Beta / Delta / FOMM / Sensor Scan / Tractor / GW / Tykens / Target Engines / Shields / Aux / Chronitons / Trics / PSW ... and more I am forgeting)

4) its good to get good equipment but it still won't help you unless you learn the mechanics and how to implement them... that was kind of someone though.

5) Redistribute your shields... if you can't keep up run tac team. Use Evasive... sorry cruisers turn just fine if you know what your doing... have you tried Aux to Damp... great turn 50% up time and PSW / GW protection, hard to beat that.

6) I do the same in my Fed escorts as well... its about understanding mechanics... a ship in reverse still gets a small defense value... you also have to know when you can get away with dropping your defenses. This game is about balance... when I am in trouble I don't stop I need the defense... at some point I can make a decision that I don't NEED to have max defense and it would be better for me to slow stop or reverse to keep an arc and maximize dmg... dead targets don't shoot back.

7) You will be wiped out many more times by Klingons ships... you will be wiped out by Federation ships. We all have and we all will... now you can try to understand why and get better or you can come here and complain that someone blew you up in there 31k hull bop. lol (Honestly I seem to remember beating on you in one of my fed escorts a few times too... why no complaining about that)

8) If I where to play along with you all I will say is this... its about MASS... Cruiser are pushing Much Higher Mass ships around they need more power... and due to the laws of physics it will not be as fast or turn as well... or even have as much power left over for weapons. A 4000 lbs Caddy with a 400hp engine lines up with a 1000 lbs Italian sports car with 250hp... who are you putting your money on. lol

9) There are just as many dedicated fed pvp people here as klink... Most players are just players bud... I have just as many hours on my feds as my klinks... high end pvp mainly consists of Fed Teams for a reason... Flying Klink is fun sure, its not the roll stomp you seem to make it out to be though. Nice try though. lol

10) Congrats on the military service, I'm sure what ever Country your from appreciates the service. Honestly though I would think you would have a better grasp of military history. Might in the form of LARGE and Larger ships never wins. Of course my thoughts on history could be off... It could not have been the one torpedo that caused the Bismark to loose steering and end up at the bottom of the sea. Or of course it could be that the Battleship Hood badly ripped the Bismarks hull gimping her badly. If you where a student of the current situation. Frigates and Destroyers rule the seas these days... Large Cruisers are only good for carrying long range air based weaponry, Large sitting duck type ships are a thing of the past for a reason. HMS Sheffield downed by an out of date Exocet missile... that's reality. The Bismark having its stearing broken by a itty bitty torpedo.. and having its hull and fuel tanks peppered by the HMS Hood... that is also reality.

Honestly though you have created a few of these Klink are OP threads now... you have been offered help and it sounds like you have even gotten quite a bit... if you are not seeing improvement, well what can I say.
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# 7
07-07-2011, 04:11 PM
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2) if you think the fact that you have MX XI somehow is better then having MK VI you don't understand the dmg mechanics.... your weapony is going to make very little diffrence. It will help but it won't be 10x better then running MK VI in PvP and I'm not exagerating

3) its about finding the right combos... then timing them to have max resists for as long as you can... it is also about balancing your build so you can still do dmg... full weapon power or not, you need to debuff or remove your targets defense values. (Beta / Delta / FOMM / Sensor Scan / Tractor / GW / Tykens / Target Engines / Shields / Aux / Chronitons / Trics / PSW ... and more I am forgeting)

4) its good to get good equipment but it still won't help you unless you learn the mechanics and how to implement them... that was kind of someone though.

5) Redistribute your shields... if you can't keep up run tac team. Use Evasive... sorry cruisers turn just fine if you know what your doing... have you tried Aux to Damp... great turn 50% up time and PSW / GW protection, hard to beat that.

6) I do the same in my Fed escorts as well... its about understanding mechanics... a ship in reverse still gets a small defense value... you also have to know when you can get away with dropping your defenses. This game is about balance... when I am in trouble I don't stop I need the defense... at some point I can make a decision that I don't NEED to have max defense and it would be better for me to slow stop or reverse to keep an arc and maximize dmg... dead targets don't shoot back.

7) You will be wiped out many more times by Klingons ships... you will be wiped out by Federation ships. We all have and we all will... now you can try to understand why and get better or you can come here and complain that someone blew you up in there 31k hull bop. lol (Honestly I seem to remember beating on you in one of my fed escorts a few times too... why no complaining about that)

8) If I where to play along with you all I will say is this... its about MASS... Cruiser are pushing Much Higher Mass ships around they need more power... and due to the laws of physics it will not be as fast or turn as well... or even have as much power left over for weapons. A 4000 lbs Caddy with a 400hp engine lines up with a 1000 lbs Italian sports car with 250hp... who are you putting your money on. lol

9) There are just as many dedicated fed pvp people here as klink... Most players are just players bud... I have just as many hours on my feds as my klinks... high end pvp mainly consists of Fed Teams for a reason... Flying Klink is fun sure, its not the roll stomp you seem to make it out to be though. Nice try though. lol

10) Congrats on the military service, I'm sure what ever Country your from appreciates the service. Honestly though I would think you would have a better grasp of military history. Might in the form of LARGE and Larger ships never wins. Of course my thoughts on history could be off... It could not have been the one torpedo that caused the Bismark to loose steering and end up at the bottom of the sea. Or of course it could be that the Battleship Hood badly ripped the Bismarks hull gimping her badly. If you where a student of the current situation. Frigates and Destroyers rule the seas these days... Large Cruisers are only good for carrying long range air based weaponry, Large sitting duck type ships are a thing of the past for a reason. HMS Sheffield downed by an out of date Exocet missile... that's reality. The Bismark having its stearing broken by a itty bitty torpedo.. and having its hull and fuel tanks peppered by the HMS Hood... that is also reality.

Honestly though you have created a few of these Klink are OP threads now... you have been offered help and it sounds like you have even gotten quite a bit... if you are not seeing improvement, well what can I say.
Show me anywhere in this thread or just in my post here that I said Klinks were OP. Show me where I said Klinks Carriers were OP. Show me for that fact where I said... "Klink Cruisers and BOPs are OP"...

I will school you on history if I must. The Bismark sunk the HMS HOOD and chased off the HMS Prince of Whales. Yes it was damaged by a torpedo.. Dropped from a plane. Frankly that hit on the steering was nothing short of pure luck.. It took a task force to put the Bismark on the bottom of the see.

Sure frigates and destroyers are the ships of the line today because of its ability to carry the same payload in MISSLES only as do Subs. That still doesn't take away from the fact that a in the days of ship to ship fighting, destroyers and frigates could not take on a BS 1v1. Hell the Bizmark could split a frigate or destroyer in half with one shell... knock out a Cruiser with three shells. (History lesson finished)

As far as your explanations go... your reading to much and making to much of technical issues that just aren't there. To say that Mrk 6 weapons are as good as any Mrk 11 is simply laughable since there are huge differences in DPS.

7) You will be wiped out many more times by Klingons ships... you will be wiped out by Federation ships. We all have and we all will... now you can try to understand why and get better or you can come here and complain that someone blew you up in there 31k hull bop. lol


(Honestly I seem to remember beating on you in one of my fed escorts a few times too... why no complaining about that)

Wow thats so wrong....LOL I don't pvp against other fed players in fed ships...LMAO I've not ever pvp'd against other federation ships..HAJHAHAHAH OMG you flopped on that comment. I'm not allowed by forum rules to call some one a lier so I'll just say thats a huge fabrication and stretch of the imagination.

To say I have to keep up with running tac team.. everything has a cool down period.. once used you have to wait.. or is there no wait time for KDF.. see because I use tac team all the time.. and really having to wait is a real pain..
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# 8
07-07-2011, 04:22 PM
Well you said the bop should pop when you breath in its direction... and your right perhaps forums aren't a great place to debate historical naval battles... my point was, Are you suggesting that Star Trek should be like Ancient Naval warfare.... The Bismark as much as a technical achievement as it was... was a ship built for the wrong time, heck even the germans knew that (the ones that didn't control the money, thank god) hence the U Boat designs... fractured thinking at the top had them spending resources on the wrong things. (But anyway where all glad the germans wasted tons of steel and man power on her)

Perhaps I was mistaken on the FvF meeting... you guys all run together. lol

Honestly send me a tell in game and I will go through your build with you... yes I could kill you with Mk VI weaponry... timed buffs and debuffs kill people.... not an extra 10% base dps. I think everyone here will tell you the same thing... stop worrying about having the best purple stuffz... it will help so why not but it won't win you fights.
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# 9
07-07-2011, 04:25 PM
Post your setup, so that we might better help you.
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# 10
07-07-2011, 04:40 PM
If a thread was closed, it was closed for a reason. The discussion is not to be re-opened.
Since the last thread went up in flames and resulted in a number of infractions, this one will be closed as well.
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